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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

Commander Richard said:
Barry needed to do the impossible. He needed to catch that moving phantom. In order to do that he had to clear his head so that he could act quickly and spontaneously, which he did. That's what it was all about. He became a true speedster instead of just an accident or something that resulted from a formula. He's really the Flash now, better than ever.
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The Phantom wasn't real. The Speed Force prophets made it, and when they decided that Barry had finished their bizarre, stupid therapy session, he caught it. Barry has always been a true speedster. He's presumably the first speedster on his Earth, its impossible to be born a speedster so he's as legitimate a speedster as you can get. He's also no more faster coming out then he was going in, he's no better or worse for the experience. Well, except he can look at a tombstone now, but that really has nothing to do with anything.
 
kirk55555 said:
He might have, I can't find the info. He was still very obnoxious with his use of it, regardless. also, the show really doesn't use anything from the 40s Flash except a name and a costume. Plus, I'm pretty sure Wally never lost or was stopped from regaining speed powers because he didn't visit a grave, or had terrible self esteem. If he did, well that was Waid being Waid. Barry and Jay certainly never had that problem.
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All irrelevant to the point being made, That all eras of the Flash are available to be drawn from. Nor am I saying that this episode is some how based on a story from the Waid era or any specific storyline from the comics.
I doubt the guy who invented the Speed Force and developed it got it wrong,
 
kirk55555 said:
Barry has always been a true speedster. He's presumably the first speedster on his Earth. He's no more faster coming out then he was going in.
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Before, he got powers from an accident. Now he owns "something" be it the speed force or whatever and I wouldn't be surprised if future episodes reflect that. He's more confident and presumably more powerful as a result.
 
Nerys Myk said:
All irrelevant to the point being made, That all eras of the Flash are available to be drawn from. Nor am I saying that this episode is some how based on a story from the Waid era or any specific storyline from the comics.
I doubt the guy who invented the Speed Force and developed it got wrong,
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He may not have gotten his interpretation wrong. but, his version still didn't involve SF prophets, and other writers filled out what the SF is after him, so whatever he wanted it to be doesn't really matter. Also, apparently the speed force first appeared in Adventure Comics #181, published in 1952. That's ten years before Waid was born. I can't find much info about that, but it means his was just one interpretation of the SF among the ones before and after him.

sojourner said:
This remains to be seen.
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If he is, its not because he read a book with some speed force lookalike of his Mom. He might get a power up from absorbing energy while in the speed force I suppose. So, even if he is faster, there are a bunch of explanations that make more sense then "the Speed Force is actually Doctor Phil if he was a force of nature".

Commander Richard said:
Before, he got powers from an accident. Now he owns "something" be it the speed force or whatever and I wouldn't be surprised if future episodes reflect that. He's more confident and presumably more powerful as a result.
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That's not how his powers work, but whatever. Its the Berlantiverse, stupider things have happened. Still, like I said above, if he gets more powerful, it almost certainly won't be because of a confidence boost or tv reality show psychology.
 
kirk55555 said:
He may not have gotten his interpretation wrong. but, his version still didn't involve SF prophets, and other writers filled out what the SF is after him, so whatever he wanted it to be doesn't really matter.
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Still missing the point. You're stuck on the Speed Force being one thing and limited to the stories you like.
 
kirk55555 said:
That's not how his powers work, but whatever.
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They do now apparently, because they decided to introduce that element. And as I said a few days ago, I like it. It makes him a man of real owned power rather than just another accident. It's not as literal as speed force creatures or Dr. Phil psychology.
 
sojourner said:
You've obviously never read the Wally West run of the Flash.
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Yup. It sets the precedent that self doubt and *mental blocks* can definitely inhibit your abilities and *top speed*....


I wonder what Grant would look like if he dyed his hair red? He's always reminded me much more of Wally then Barry in a lot of ways (definitely lacks the sense of humor, though.) I've reimagined the show mentally on occaision; the guy that plays Eddie looks *so much* like traditional Barry Allen (and he was with Iris, and worked in the Police Department....)... As a Wally fan, I would have loved to see an alternate universe version of the show, where (Rick Cosnett, as Barry) sacrifices himself at the end of Season 1 to propel Gustin (as Wally) into the role of The Flash.... all of a sudden, dating Linda and having a ton of self doubt and needing a support system would make a ton of sense. Shipp could still mentor him as Jay Garrick. It could have been great. (not that it isn't.... just daydreaming... lol.)
 
Phoenix219 said:
I wonder what Grant would look like if he dyed his hair red? He's always reminded me much more of Wally then Barry in a lot of ways...
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What strikes me is how much Gustin resembles John Wesley Shipp. He has much more boyish features, but the general shape of his face and the color and texture of his hair are similar enough to make them convincing as father and son, even though neither of them looks much like comics Barry.

Interesting how some comics characters are consistently given their proper hair color (e.g. Jean Grey and Mary Jane Watson are always redheads, even if the shade varies considerably from film to film) but some almost never are. All three screen Barry Allens (counting Ezra Miller in the movies) are brown or black-haired rather than blond, and every live-action Jimmy Olsen except Tommy Bond in the Kirk Alyn serials has been brown-haired (or bald, currently) rather than red. Lois Lane is usually brunette but has been a redhead at least twice (Noel Neill and Amy Adams). Lana Lang has been a redhead in the movies, a blonde in Lois & Clark, and raven-haired in Smallville.
 
It's not that the Speed Force visions have made Barry more powerful, it's that he's ALWAYS been that powerful but has subconsciously held himself back. We have seen this since the very beginning of the show, with Thawne!Wells constantly pushing him to believe that he can do X. Hell, he even spells it out in the "The Trap"... "There are no limits to what you will achieve, or how fast you will go, but you have to trust in yourself". Ironically, the best advice anyone could ever give Barry comes at the very time he's just discovered "Wells" is the Reverse Flash.
 
matthunter said:
It's not that the Speed Force visions have made Barry more powerful, it's that he's ALWAYS been that powerful but has subconsciously held himself back. We have seen this since the very beginning of the show, with Thawne!Wells constantly pushing him to believe that he can do X. Hell, he even spells it out in the "The Trap"... "There are no limits to what you will achieve, or how fast you will go, but you have to trust in yourself". Ironically, the best advice anyone could ever give Barry comes at the very time he's just discovered "Wells" is the Reverse Flash.
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Real life often works that way as well. Athletes, writers, performance artists, intellectuals, etc., professional or amateur, often see a rise or fall in the quality of what they do based on their confidence. Why should it be different with a fictional character?
 
Ovation said:
Real life often works that way as well. Athletes, writers, performance artists, intellectuals, etc., professional or amateur, often see a rise or fall in the quality of what they do based on their confidence. Why should it be different with a fictional character?
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Heck, it's that way with countless characters, from Dumbo to Luke Skywalker. Believing in yourself is routinely portrayed as the key to success, no matter what superpowers you have.

In Marvel, the powers of Gladiator of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard are directly linked to his self-confidence. The more he believes in himself and his purpose, the more powerful he becomes, and doubt physically weakens him. So it's a particularly literal evocation of the trope.
 
Whoa! I was watching the latest ep just now and flicked channels for the ad break. Got an old ep of CSI: Miami featuring Grant Gustin as the biological son of a murdered sperm donor. The name of episode?

Terminal Velocity.

Holy. Fuck.
 
^ LOL...I've seen that one. Plus, I came across an episode with Steven Amell a few months ago on Netflix. S9 Episode 5, Sleepless in Miami. .
 
Not happy about that! Seems they are just adding to Barry's tragedy. So more of the same drama we have seen, no new material to work with dramatically. it makes his lack of serious presence this season worse. Was this always the plan for Henry?

I was beaming when Henry and Tina met. Also very happy that to know she knew Barry's secret. but what are they going to do with her now? They teased a Henry and Tina relationship which will never happen. Mercury Labs is gone. Will all its employees move to STAR? Which has only 3 employees.
 
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