I hope so! I have seen a lot of fans predict he is going to die. but seriously not as a joke.
Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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My expectation is that either he will die, or he will be around playing "double duty" next season - I am at this point convinced that he is going to play the "real Jay Garrick" underneath that iron mask.
That's what I've been expecting since we first saw him. I'm hoping for a real surprise though. I'd enjoy having that, "Whaaaaat?!" moment.
Or they could just kill off dad and have him play someone else like Jay Garrick or 90s Flash. No double duty.
I could see that.
Thats what I said. They will either kill him, or he will be doing double duty.
^ Okay, got it.
I was thinking of Justice League Flash the other day and how funny he was, always wise cracking. I'd like to see Barry lighten up a bit.
Isn't that the Wally West version of the Flash though?
You're right I think. He supposedly had some links to the 90s Flash series.
The Wally West in this current series aint so funny either though,
I finally watched the latest episode. It was easily one of the worst (if not the worst) episodes of The Flash. They took the most boring parts of Star Trek: DS9 (the droning, overly long conversations with The Prophets), and stretched it out to 45 minutes. I mean, that's not even how the Speed Force works, but I'm sure Berlanti thought it would add some great soap opera drama.
All of the speed force stuff felt like something Arrow would do, although they'd probably have Oliver get poisoned or drugged to do it. It was also completely skippable. It added nothing to the character or universe, it was just an excuse to make Barry stop being an idiot when it comes to his confidence issues. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that his Oliverish "I'm gonna quit being a hero" thing is over with, but they did it terribly.
The non speed force stuff was good, but it doesn't overcome the terrible stuff. I could have fast forwarded through every second of speed force stuff and not missed anything. A very disappointing episode of a usually solid show, and one I'll try to forget about by next week.
All of the speed force stuff felt like something Arrow would do, although they'd probably have Oliver get poisoned or drugged to do it. It was also completely skippable. It added nothing to the character or universe, it was just an excuse to make Barry stop being an idiot when it comes to his confidence issues. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that his Oliverish "I'm gonna quit being a hero" thing is over with, but they did it terribly.
The non speed force stuff was good, but it doesn't overcome the terrible stuff. I could have fast forwarded through every second of speed force stuff and not missed anything. A very disappointing episode of a usually solid show, and one I'll try to forget about by next week.
Nope. I've really enjoyed to loved 90% of The Flash. I really don't care about stunts or FX by themselves (although cool fights are always nice). I like good characters and good stories, everything else supports those two things. This episode had a garbage story with the speed force stuff. It was complete filler that did nothing to move the plot along, and didn't even do anything good when it came to Barry as a character. He just had inane conversations with generic otherworldly beings, while seemingly barely able to understand that they weren't the people he knew (the stuff with his fake mother was the worst). It was one of the biggest wastes of time I've had to sit through in a long time. I wouldn't have wanted it replaced with FX and stunts. I'd want it replaced with actual freaking story and character development.
Well, in my opinion character development isn't talking to speed force aliens (I have nothing else to call them, but I'm sure that's not even remotely accurate) and having them try to psychoanalyze the hero until he thinks they way they want him too. It was a bunch of boring, terrible scenes that amounted to "You should visit your Mom's grave, and we care about this because.....Oh look, its time for you to leave. Bye!". I could have fast forwarded and missed nothing. The Supergirl crossover was more relevant to Barry, and the show overall, then the speed force scenes. At least that established something, and mostly wasn't terrible.
That's just my opinion, though. I'm just glad the episode is done and I won't have to see it again. It had some good stuff (like Barry with his real Dad, not fake Dad), and the Zombie Meta stuff was entertaining. Hopefully he'll never enter the speed force again, and this episode can easily fade away and just be one of the few examples of a terrible episode of The Flash.
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Don't think of it as Speed Force Aliens, think of it as Barry spending the whole episode having a discussion with his sub-conscious. They don't frame the ep that way, but as Barry is clearly the only living thing as we understand it inside the Speed Force whirlwind when Cisco and Iris go to him, it works. Barry gets his powers back in the new accelerator explosion, and immediately flees to the Speed Force subconsciously. Why? Because he's tired and afraid. He let his mother die at the end of Season 1, for fear of changing time. She only died because he's the Flash (Thawne being motivated to kill her to spite his foe, etc). So getting his powers back is a traumatic moment for him. Did he let his mother die just so he could be special? Is he that selfish?
He needs to work through his grief and his fear. The "entities" he meets are just telling him things he already knows but is afraid to face. Which could still be Barry talking to himself (hell, if they decide to go like the comics and have Barry basically be the source of the Speed Force, then's talking to himself even if there are Speed Force entities). So that he can accept who he really is free of doubt and remorse over his choice at the end of Season 1 and move forward.
What is, in your opinion, character development?
I'm not good enough at describing things to give you some textbook approved definition. There certainly wasn't any in this episode, at least not with Barry. Just a lot of boring scenes of the Speed Force trying to play Dr. Phil with Barry, for...reasons. It was bored, maybe. Also, Barry's mother's grave was important, because the hack writer thought it was symbolic or something. It's not worth much thought, and the writer certainly didn't put any into the story anyway. I'm just ready for the next episode, and hoping that the horrible writer of this episode never gets another job on a show I watch.
TV characters are not supposed to develop.
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