Given that Firestorm is a two-in-one deal, why the eff not? And maybe Firestorm technobabble can help extract Wells.
The Flash - Season 1
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Given that Firestorm is a two-in-one deal, why the eff not? And maybe Firestorm technobabble can help extract Wells.
As long as they don't pull a Sylar and brainwash Eobard into thinking he really is Harrison Wells...
If they want to keep the actor on the show I imagine at some point the Reverse-Flash will be defeated and somehow the 'real' Wells will be restored.
Sure, but there are still plenty of ways to bring him back. Time travel, cloning, seperating him from Reverse Flash, this is a comic book show so there are plenty of ways to bring back a dead character.
The fact that the real Wells was killed by a time traveler who was changing history by killing him gives that death an impermanent quality....
Also with that face stealing tech, there could be other Eobard Thawne's wandering about trying to bounce up and down on history.
Everyone in the room including Barry could have been born Eobard Thawne.
Everyone in the room including Barry could have been born Eobard Thawne.
Imagine a scenario in which time-travelling Barry switches out the real Dr. Wells from 15 years ago at the site of the accident with "Dr. Wells" from 2015+. Thawne kills his future self, the real Dr. Wells is saved.
I was thinking that the other day.
But the rules as I understand them, every time traveller is from an alternate timeline, and the very act of time travel creates new time lines. You can't travel into your own past (so that it stays your past.), you can only create new timelines and then live through them.
There are no predestination loops in this show.
If you think that that's future-you in the past, it's not. They're mirror you from sideways and upstream in a mirror universe. There is no need for you to follow instructions from the past, because that's just going to create yet another new time line, destroying history, present and future.
But the rules as I understand them, every time traveller is from an alternate timeline, and the very act of time travel creates new time lines. You can't travel into your own past (so that it stays your past.), you can only create new timelines and then live through them.
There are no predestination loops in this show.
If you think that that's future-you in the past, it's not. They're mirror you from sideways and upstream in a mirror universe. There is no need for you to follow instructions from the past, because that's just going to create yet another new time line, destroying history, present and future.
I think it's too early to try to ascertain exactly what the rules of the show's time travel are at this point, but they seem to be strongly hinting towards the fact that going back to that night in the past is still something that our Barry has to do in his future...not something that some other parallel Barry did.
Bottom line of my idea, though, is that Barry could effectively pluck the real Dr. Wells from that moment in time and bring him back to the present. That Thawne would kill himself would just be poetic justice.
Bottom line of my idea, though, is that Barry could effectively pluck the real Dr. Wells from that moment in time and bring him back to the present. That Thawne would kill himself would just be poetic justice.
(Sorry.)
1. Eobard goes back to kill the Flash, and kills Nora Allen instead. This is not his past. It's doubtful if Nora or Barry died in the history he learnt at school.
2. Barry goes back by accident, a tidal wave does not destroy the city. The replay was a very different 24 hours. Even if he had allowed everything to play out identically right down to the tidal wave, it's still different because one timeline would have been natural and the other was a man pretending and acting out a part from a script.
Of course sometimes the people making these stories, can't follow their own rules.
1. Eobard goes back to kill the Flash, and kills Nora Allen instead. This is not his past. It's doubtful if Nora or Barry died in the history he learnt at school.
2. Barry goes back by accident, a tidal wave does not destroy the city. The replay was a very different 24 hours. Even if he had allowed everything to play out identically right down to the tidal wave, it's still different because one timeline would have been natural and the other was a man pretending and acting out a part from a script.
Of course sometimes the people making these stories, can't follow their own rules.
I think it's pretty clear that Reverse-Flash's attempt to kill the young Barry Allen is the nexus point of the show and can't be changed, the older Barry has to save his younger version and Nora has to die. I also think Barry learned what happens when you try and change the time line, which was the point of the two parter. In trying to change things BArry in siome ways made things worse.
Nora's death cannot be changed without unpredictable consequences, but it can be changed.
In the earlier timeline where she didn't die, because Eobard wasn't there, unless Henry really did kill her, Barry doesn't become the Flash until 2020.
In the earlier timeline where she didn't die, because Eobard wasn't there, unless Henry really did kill her, Barry doesn't become the Flash until 2020.
I don't get why people *want* the 'real' Wells as he'd have to be played in an entirely different way unrelated to the very reasons that we find him an interesting character. A 'good' version of Wells would simply act as an older version of Cisco and be redundant.
It seems mercenary to fire Tom Cavanagh if everyone else gets to keep their job.
We have no proof that Barry becase the Flash in 2020, just the Flash disappears in a crisis event. The explosion of the accelator causes the creation of the Flash and the other metahumans and afer losing the Speed Force, Thawne nows needs the power from Barry. Whatever alternate pasts there were or might have been is largely besides the point, we now know Iris doesn't know Barry's secret, Joe's leg was never broken and Cetral City wasn't destroyed by the Weather Wizard.
It's more a matter of anticipating where things might go when the Zoom story plays out...because it could get very, very old and contrived if they plan to drag out his full exposure indefinitely. And I wouldn't underestimate the actor's ability to bring something new to the real Wells.
Why does he have to get fired? Exposure doesn't mean that he has to leave - it just removes him from the Lab set-up and changes the status quo.
