Bingo. Which is why I think time will be kinder to it than the initial response (Space Karen’s purchase of Twitter has certainly made me reappraise it).
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Bingo. Which is why I think time will be kinder to it than the initial response (Space Karen’s purchase of Twitter has certainly made me reappraise it).
Except this was when Covid hit. So this new streaming service, HBOMax , was just about to get hit with a dearth of new content... definitely no new movies were going to show up. But they did have a whole lot of material that was cut, as well as material that could be re-edited... and it looked like some material was shot in a "covid safe" way (i.e. Cyborg's stalking/helping the mother).
it got a good news bump and its length occupied viewers time (so they don't go hunting for other stuff, and get disappointed). Did we ever get numbers of how it did?
You have some great points....and i think for an orginal villain...yeah, that would really work (such as maybe a new Bond villain, or really any other property, original or not).
But with Luthor...i think there still needs to be some element of seriousness.
i dunno.... Eisenberg did play Mark Zuckerberg, and he has a lot of Luthor parallels...and i guess you could be right that this would be a logical modern update (like how Snyder had Martha use techniques for special needs children to help Clark, which should be a permanent addition to the mythos)
This was technically Lex Luthor JUNIOR right (with his dad also called Lex, not Lionel), so maybe that was set up to replace Eisenberg if needed???
The other thing is once someone finds these offenders and is actually against them, they share the video with sooooo many people that it gains the popularity the activist was supposed to avoid.
I remember the numbers being pretty high, just under the views that Wonder Woman 2 was getting.
I also remember data coming out saying that less than half were actually finishing their viewing, though.
Overall, there's no reason WB wasn't happy with the results I'd say. As you mentioned, Covid killed all new content so people were at least tuning in.
They looked like human babies to me.
What does DCOU stand for? I haven't seen that used anywhere else, the standard abbreviation everyone else is using, including James Gunn, is just DCU.
I'm curious what the original plans for this movie were. Wasn't it once going to be Thomas Wayne as Batman in the weird AU? Before WB decided to un-Snyder everything and just try to copy the MCU.
Like the original "Flashpoint" comics? Well, I don't trust rumors very much. Remember that, according to them, the new relaunch of Star Trek is a total failure, Kurtzman was fired two years ago and they are making new episodes only to hide the truth.
Yeah, there was talk of Jeffery Dean Morgan coming back to do the role and him joking that Keaton had stolen the role from him. I don't think it would work unless Affleck was going to stay on in the role.
Snyder wanted a close adaptation of the comic Flashpoint. With Barry wrecking the timeline and partnering with Thomas Wayne Batman (Jeffery Dean Morgan) to right the world. Before Arthur and Diana’s war destroy it.
Remember the Flash movie was originally slated for a 2019 release.
2018 was originally have Aquaman and Justice League Part 2. JL 2 where the League would have toppled Darkseid and prevented the Knightmare future. Lex Luthor would be redeemed by destroying Apokolips. Luthor was to die too when the planet self-destructed.
After Snyder was fired in 2017, the Flash movie was workshopped several times for several years. Through two studio executive regimes, two sales of WB (one by ATT and a second by Discovery) and various goals to achieve through it.
1. Retconning the Snyderverse into a lighter/brighter world moving forward.
2. Removing Cavilman and Batfleck and replacing them with Calle Supergirl and Leslie Batgirl.’
3. An amalgamation of Flashpoint and MOS. Without the main JL characters that serves as a bookend for a dead cinematic universe.
Predictably the movie is a mess as a result.
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Just saw it - well, it wasn't the trainwreck some said it is but it's also not top 10. It is a perfectly fine superhero movie that has a few big cameos, chief amongst them Keaton's Batman, to have it stand apart from all the other fine movies but it still doesn't crack the Top 10.
Surprisingly i found Ezra Miller's performance quite good, especially his last scene with his mom at the end when he accepts his fate - he knocked it out of the park with this crucial scene. However i still don't like the Snyderverse version of Flash but that's not his fault. Also - who thought it would look cool to have Barry run like this with arms weirdly flailing about and legs moving strangely. Just look at any track & field athlete and use that, just looks way more natural.
Callis' Supergirl was a major disappointment because the role was so inconsequential to the entire movie, everything she did apart from flying Barry into the lightning did nothing for the movie, it just felt so unnecessay to have her which is a shame because she looked good and did the best with what little she got to do.
So yeah - the Snyderverse finishes off with the best representation of what it was as shown in Flash - just fine in parts, some parts bad but also some nuggets that were actually good but on average just mediocre.
Fans are already split in 2 camps - Snyder and Gunn camps and are exchaning shots across the Internet. I'll reserve my judgement once i have seen a few of Gunn's movies.
Surprisingly i found Ezra Miller's performance quite good, especially his last scene with his mom at the end when he accepts his fate - he knocked it out of the park with this crucial scene. However i still don't like the Snyderverse version of Flash but that's not his fault. Also - who thought it would look cool to have Barry run like this with arms weirdly flailing about and legs moving strangely. Just look at any track & field athlete and use that, just looks way more natural.
Callis' Supergirl was a major disappointment because the role was so inconsequential to the entire movie, everything she did apart from flying Barry into the lightning did nothing for the movie, it just felt so unnecessay to have her which is a shame because she looked good and did the best with what little she got to do.
So yeah - the Snyderverse finishes off with the best representation of what it was as shown in Flash - just fine in parts, some parts bad but also some nuggets that were actually good but on average just mediocre.
Fans are already split in 2 camps - Snyder and Gunn camps and are exchaning shots across the Internet. I'll reserve my judgement once i have seen a few of Gunn's movies.
Still one more to go.
Still one more to go.
Aquaman of course, but the list I am looking at says that Blue Beetle is Synderverse.
I think it will be intentionallly vague. If it succeeds, it stays. If it fails...oh never mind...
Not according to Gunn, FWIW.
They've been very weird about that one, with talk of Bloob being part of the new universe. I guess regardless of what happens, anything that comes out before Superman Legacy is technically still Snyderverse.
I think the deciding factor will be if Aquaman makes anywhere near the billion dollars the first one made. If so, the Mamoa goes back to the gym for #3, or else he goes straight to Lobo...as comic relief for Superman??
Barry is he/him, Miller is they/them.
The DCEU hasn't been the "Snyderverse" since Snyder was let go from Justice League. I understood the term "Snyderverse" to refer to the alternate version incorporating the Snyder Cut of JL, as opposed to the canonical DCEU. Yes, Snyder was involved in several of the formative films of the continuity, but we don't call the Marvel Cinematic Universe the "Favreauverse."
Looks like it’s going to be another bomb so I am guessing any idea it is connected will never be mentioned again.
Gunn's stuck in an unwinnable position of having to promote movies he had nothing to with and probably doesn't care anything about. I doubt he'll be too upset when it bombs.
What's going to be interesting is seeing how Aquaman does, given how much money the first one made.
I have questions.1) So Kryptonians can be killed on Earth by a piece of Kryptonian metal? If that's the case why didn't Zod do that to Superman in Man of Steel?
2) Once this was apparent, why didn't anyone try this approach to kill Zod himself?
3) How were the Russians suppressing Kara's powers? Shouldn't she have been in a Kryptonite cage or something? Possibly inspired by Injustice, DCEU Wiki claims she was in a "red solar prison cell", but was there any evidence of this in the film?
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