The First Trailer

[Dales]

Almost all negative on Digital Spy.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2122988

yieshh that was awful indeed, not one positive post

 

[JWPlatt]

If they get angry over a trailer then they really need a life.

Not nice.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Please enlighten us as to which ST movie the Enterprise was not attacked in before? None? Didn't think so.

RAMA

Star Trek IV. Granted, the Enterprise was only in the last few seconds, but you did ask.....

 

[Explorer One]

Popular opinion or what the masses think isn't a good indicator of anything. The masses like both garbage and quality.

And so do fans. "Quality" is not the first or most important demand of any fandom.

It's an excellent teaser trailer.

For a generic SF/action film, maybe.

The only part of it that approaches any depth is the "push back" line from the one alien.

Trek didn't use to have villains. Adversaries yes, even dangerous threats. But never bad guys for bad guys' sake.

Several people claimed that "pulp" was in Trek's proverbial DNA, and that TOS was about Kirk whaling on the Big Bad of the week.

Those claims only show that the ones making them either didn't really watch the show, or simply ignore the far more complex nature of what was being presented.

The "god" antagonist wasn't being a menace just to be a menace. He was either: a desperately lonely "father" whose children had "outgrown" him (Apollo, Kukalkan [sp?]), or a child who wasn't mature enough to know any better (Trelane).

The "burger pizza monster" was not a mindless beast who existed just to be a danger to others, but a desperate mother and last member of a nearly extinct species fighting to protect her children and kind.

The "man in a lizard suit" did not kill just to kill. He was a starship captain, just like Kirk, doing his duty to his government. Like the Romulan commander in BoT, he was Kirk, or a reflection/parallel of Kirk.

TOS in the prime universe was nowhere near as shallow as TOS JJ-style. I hope that Pegg's script takes more from the former. The trailer, however, gives little evidence to support that hope, outside the one line, and that line sounds an awful lot like the modern, PC nonsense argument of "exploration=exploitation/colonialism".

I'll probably watch it sooner or later, but this may well be the first Trek I don't see in the theater.

 

[RAMA]

Please enlighten us as to which ST movie the Enterprise was not attacked in before? None? Didn't think so.

RAMA

Star Trek IV. Granted, the Enterprise was only in the last few seconds, but you did ask.....

Would it have lasted against the whale probe?

If you want to really get technical, then the Enterprise wasn't in STIV because it had been attacked and self-destructed.

 

[Timby]

And so do fans. "Quality" is not the first or most important demand of any fandom.

Seriously. If it were, there wouldn't have been so much bitching that Iron Man 3 didn't have a Yellow Peril caricature as the villain.

 

[JWPlatt]

[The trailer is] there to convince SW fans who like space opera to go asee another action-adventure. That's all it has to do.

Yep!

 

[martok2112]

The initial trailer is used to catch the attention of those watching Star Wars VII in the theater, since Beyond managed to score a trailer viewing there. Shortly thereafter will likely be something that tells a bit more about the story.

That said: I'm fired up for this movie!

 

[JohnnyTenToes]

is the shot at 0:59 from earth (starfleet academy?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVD32rnzOw

 

[dub]

To the naysayers who weren't impressed with the trailer, what were you expecting

There are people who hate the trailer and the film (already) automatically because it's nuTrek. There are also people who love the trailer automatically because it's nuTrek. I don't fall into either category.

Call me crazy, but I think you can hate this trailer and still be a reasonable person. I had zero expectations going in. This trailer did zilch for me, I think mostly because it was heavy on action-for-the-sake-of-action. And color me "grandpa" but I find that boring. But hey, lots of people find that exciting.

At the same time, I'm not going to judge an entire movie I haven't seen based on a teaser that reveals very little. That's where the reasonable part comes in. But I also understand it's a lot less fun to have a discussion/debate with a reasonable person.

 

[RAMA]

Popular opinion or what the masses think isn't a good indicator of anything. The masses like both garbage and quality.

And so do fans. "Quality" is not the first or most important demand of any fandom.

It's an excellent teaser trailer.

For a generic SF/action film, maybe.

The only part of it that approaches any depth is the "push back" line from the one alien.

Trek didn't use to have villains. Adversaries yes, even dangerous threats. But never bad guys for bad guys' sake.

Several people claimed that "pulp" was in Trek's proverbial DNA, and that TOS was about Kirk whaling on the Big Bad of the week.

Those claims only show that the ones making them either didn't really watch the show, or simply ignore the far more complex nature of what was being presented.

The "god" antagonist wasn't being a menace just to be a menace. He was either" a desperately lonely "father" whose children had "outgrown" him (Apollo, Kukalkan [sp?]), or a child who wasn't mature enough to know any better (Trelane).

The "burger pizza monster" was not a mindless beast who existed just to be a danger to others, but a desperate mother and last member of a nearly extinct species fighting to protect her children and kind.

The "man in a lizard suit" did not kill just to kill. He was a starship captain, just like Kirk, doing his duty to his government. Like the Romulan commander in BoT, he was Kirk, or a reflection/parallel of Kirk.

TOS in the prime universe was nowhere near as shallow as TOS JJ-style. I hope that Pegg's script takes more from the former. The trailer, however, gives little evidence to support that hope, outside the one line, and that line sounds an awful lot like the modern, PC nonsense argument of "exploration=exploitation/colonialism".

I'll probably watch it sooner or later, but this may well be the first Trek I don't see in the theater.

I don't buy this line of reasoning...there was plenty of the usual Trek personality here plus "strange new worlds" and the like. There are almost no space adventure's like Star Trek around these days (though that is slowly changing)and it hardly seemed generic.

Nero had his own reasons for attacking the Federation(rarely had we seen the destruction of a whole planet as motivation), and he was hardly a 1 dimensional bad guy. Khan and Admiral Marcus added complexity..while bringing some topicality to NuTrek. While Khan was genuinely a bad guy, he was a loyal commander to his "family".

 

[Kor]

Interesting array of aliens.

I'm looking forward to more planet-side happenings.

Kor

 

[M'Sharak]

Okay, we've finally got some material to look at and talk about and, of course, not everyone's going to feel the same about what they've seen. They may even get a bit excited about liking or not liking it. However...

Anyone claiming this trailer feels like TOS should have their heads examined.

Let's not do this. At all.

Disagree, if you must; criticize the substance of what someone has said, sure, but don't go after the person, even collectively. If you're ever tempted to make insinuations concerning the mental state of other fans and other posters - don't. Just no.

All that said:

...

If they get angry over a trailer then they really need a life.

RAMA is already well aware that he's not supposed to take swipes at other fans/other posters, but he makes a point of doing so anyway, and it will earn him a warning here.

Comments regarding that matter to PM, please.

Most of the rest of you are doing a pretty good job of being decent to each other, so just keep that up.

 

[JohnnyTenToes]

Popular opinion or what the masses think isn't a good indicator of anything. The masses like both garbage and quality.

And so do fans. "Quality" is not the first or most important demand of any fandom.

It's an excellent teaser trailer.

For a generic SF/action film, maybe.

The only part of it that approaches any depth is the "push back" line from the one alien.

Trek didn't use to have villains. Adversaries yes, even dangerous threats. But never bad guys for bad guys' sake.

Several people claimed that "pulp" was in Trek's proverbial DNA, and that TOS was about Kirk whaling on the Big Bad of the week.

Those claims only show that the ones making them either didn't really watch the show, or simply ignore the far more complex nature of what was being presented.

The "god" antagonist wasn't being a menace just to be a menace. He was either: a desperately lonely "father" whose children had "outgrown" him (Apollo, Kukalkan [sp?]), or a child who wasn't mature enough to know any better (Trelane).

The "burger pizza monster" was not a mindless beast who existed just to be a danger to others, but a desperate mother and last member of a nearly extinct species fighting to protect her children and kind.

The "man in a lizard suit" did not kill just to kill. He was a starship captain, just like Kirk, doing his duty to his government. Like the Romulan commander in BoT, he was Kirk, or a reflection/parallel of Kirk.

TOS in the prime universe was nowhere near as shallow as TOS JJ-style. I hope that Pegg's script takes more from the former. The trailer, however, gives little evidence to support that hope, outside the one line, and that line sounds an awful lot like the modern, PC nonsense argument of "exploration=exploitation/colonialism".

I'll probably watch it sooner or later, but this may well be the first Trek I don't see in the theater.

While that's true you're picking and choosing your examples. There were also villains who weren't anymore complex than Nero, Khan or Admiral Marcus from the new movies. And from this one trailer we can't really say much of anything about the story and characters, so..

 

[T'Bonz]

Music and motorcycle. Meh. I watch Trek for "future" not "today" or "recent past." I was one who couldn't stand Tom Paris and his hobbies.

Loved the McCoy bit though. "Well, at least I won't die alone."

Spock is beamed away.

"Well that's just typical."

LOLOLOL! McCoy is the best.

No other real impressions. Not much you can get from such a short trailer. It appears at first glance that this will be similar to the first two movies, but again, not much can be told from a short teaser.

LOL....McCoy.....

 

[Squiggy]

That's not really happening here as far as I can discern.

As long as you ignore all the positive things people are saying. Sure. Why the hell not?

 

[BeatleJWOL]

It didn't give me any Star Trek feeling at all and that for a franchise that celebrates its 50th anniversary next year.

Anniversaries mean dick in Hollywood. Bond had it's 50th in 2012 and had about 3 seconds of the original riff in Skyfall. That's about it.

Somebody's not a Bond fan.

First off, the "original riff" is in every friggin' movie...it's the JAMES BOND THEME, dammit.

Second, did you miss the

Spoiler: UM DURR

original Connery-era Aston Martin

in the last third of the film?

That said, there was far more anniversary bait in Die Another Day, as the 20th Bond film in the 40th year.

Oh man, can you imagine if Bad Robot assembled a "Force Awakens" Trailer with Beastie Boys blaring? Why is it OK for Trek?

I'm down for a Force Awakens supercut trailer set to the Meco disco version of the theme, actually.

It's only trailer 1 but dammit this film better end with them warping away in an enterprise a.

The last two movies ended up with the crew on the bridge warping away to parts unknown.

I'll be shocked if this film doesn't end quite the same.

 

[hux]

Is it me or did the scene with Scotty grabbing on to the cliff... look a bit cheap and CGI heavy?

And was that alien Idris? Why would you hide him?

 

[Explorer One]

And so do fans. "Quality" is not the first or most important demand of any fandom.

It's an excellent teaser trailer.

For a generic SF/action film, maybe.

The only part of it that approaches any depth is the "push back" line from the one alien.

Trek didn't use to have villains. Adversaries yes, even dangerous threats. But never bad guys for bad guys' sake.

Several people claimed that "pulp" was in Trek's proverbial DNA, and that TOS was about Kirk whaling on the Big Bad of the week.

Those claims only show that the ones making them either didn't really watch the show, or simply ignore the far more complex nature of what was being presented.

The "god" antagonist wasn't being a menace just to be a menace. He was either: a desperately lonely "father" whose children had "outgrown" him (Apollo, Kukalkan [sp?]), or a child who wasn't mature enough to know any better (Trelane).

The "burger pizza monster" was not a mindless beast who existed just to be a danger to others, but a desperate mother and last member of a nearly extinct species fighting to protect her children and kind.

The "man in a lizard suit" did not kill just to kill. He was a starship captain, just like Kirk, doing his duty to his government. Like the Romulan commander in BoT, he was Kirk, or a reflection/parallel of Kirk.

TOS in the prime universe was nowhere near as shallow as TOS JJ-style. I hope that Pegg's script takes more from the former. The trailer, however, gives little evidence to support that hope, outside the one line, and that line sounds an awful lot like the modern, PC nonsense argument of "exploration=exploitation/colonialism".

I'll probably watch it sooner or later, but this may well be the first Trek I don't see in the theater.

While that's true you're picking and choosing your examples. There were also villains who weren't anymore complex than Nero, Khan or Admiral Marcus from the new movies. And from this one trailer we can't really say much of anything about the story and characters, so..

I didn't chose the examples, the person I was responding to (Dennis, IIRC, back around page 12 or so) did.

Which "villains" would you submit from TOS Prime were as simplistic as the ones we've gotten so far from TOS-JJ?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Popular opinion or what the masses think isn't a good indicator of anything. The masses like both garbage and quality.

And so do fans. "Quality" is not the first or most important demand of any fandom.

It's an excellent teaser trailer.

For a generic SF/action film, maybe.

Let's not put Trek on a pedestal.

The only part of it that approaches any depth is the "push back" line from the one alien.

Which might be the film's theme.

Trek didn't use to have villains. Adversaries yes, even dangerous threats. But never bad guys for bad guys' sake.

Bad guys with "reasons". Are still bad guys. The villains in the first films had reasons too and I'll bet the bad guys in this one will too. ( see above)

Several people claimed that "pulp" was in Trek's proverbial DNA, and that TOS was about Kirk whaling on the Big Bad of the week.

It is. Whale, then talk was the usual pattern.

Those claims only show that the ones making them either didn't really watch the show, or simply ignore the far more complex nature of what was being presented.

The "god" antagonist wasn't being a menace just to be a menace. He was either: a desperately lonely "father" whose children had "outgrown" him (Apollo, Kukalkan [sp?]), or a child who wasn't mature enough to know any better (Trelane).

And some were evil AIs that needed to be unplugged. Being a bad child or lonely god doesn't negate the pulp aspect or Kirk and Co. kicking their asses in the third or fourth act.

The "burger pizza monster" was not a mindless beast who existed just to be a danger to others, but a desperate mother and last member of a nearly extinct species fighting to protect her children and kind.

Yeah it had to kill a few miners and get injured by our heroes before we found it out.

The "man in a lizard suit" did not kill just to kill. He was a starship captain, just like Kirk, doing his duty to his government. Like the Romulan commander in BoT, he was Kirk, or a reflection/parallel of Kirk.

Just following orders is a weak defense. And he wasn't really a parallel like the Romulan. We didn't get his POV. He was a strictly a bad guy until the end when Kirk was whaling on him but chose not to kill him.

TOS in the prime universe was nowhere near as shallow as TOS JJ-style. I hope that Pegg's script takes more from the former. The trailer, however, gives little evidence to support that hope, outside the one line, and that line sounds an awful lot like the modern, PC nonsense argument of "exploration=exploitation/colonialism".

Hilarious. You want depth, but reject the idea that exploration can have a dark side as being "PC nonsense". You realizes that "Devil In the Dark" and "Arena" are about that nonsense, right?