The first five year mission?

[Jedi Marso]

USS Carolina: Possibly not a starship. Mentioned once during "Friday's Child."
USS Farragut: Possibly still in service. Topic of "Obsession."
USS Republic: Possibly out of service. Mentioned in "Court Martial.

I always felt that Farragut and Republic were Constitution class like Enterprise, at least throughout the TOS era. Now with SNW we see Farragut presented as a different class. But yes, Farragut suffered somewhere in the vicinity of 50% crew loss in her encounter with the cloud creature. Republic we don't know about, other than Finney almost accidently blew her up back when Kirk was a J.O.

 

[Mojochi]

According to Gene Roddenberry "Kirk commanded the U.S.S. Enterprise on its historic five-year voyage and became the first starship captain in history to bring back both his vessel and his crew relatively intact after such a mission."

Damn, reading that just sends shivers through me. I mean the context... Like... How many went out into deep space for a multi-yeat spell & didn't come back or came back but not whole? That shit is WAY less Utopian than I'd ever think

 

[Tallguy]

Damn, reading that just sends shivers through me. I mean the context... Like... How many went out into deep space for a multi-yeat spell & didn't come back or came back but not whole? That shit is WAY less Utopian than I'd ever think

I never got where "Utopian" came from. (Gene's bourbon bottle while doing the college tour, I suppose.) But even so, Earth is really nice, but it's a great big universe and we're all really puny (just a tiny little spec about the size of Mickey Rooney).

To quote someone else: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."

 

[Commander Troi]

but it's a great big universe and we're all really puny (just a tiny little spec about the size of Mickey Rooney).

That's going to gallop through my brain for the rest of the day now...

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Damn, reading that just sends shivers through me. I mean the context... Like... How many went out into deep space for a multi-yeat spell & didn't come back or came back but not whole?

And no one serving (exclusively) as ship's counselor aboard the Enterprise.

 

[Tallguy]

And no one serving (exclusively) as ship's counselor aboard the Enterprise.

You know, watching SNW makes you realize how spectacularly bad at it Chapel could have been at it!

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I wonder if after action briefings for landing parties devolve into group therapy sessions.

 

[Tuskin38]

Kirk said there were 12 ships like the Enterprise in the fleet. He never said there were only 12 built.
There's nothing in on-screen canon that says only 12 were built as of that episode, only that there were just 12 in service at the time.

Spoiler: SNW Season 2

Plus the, now destroyed, Cayuga is confirmed to be a connie

The Farragut as well was never given a class in pre-SNW Canon, only in non-canon materials. SNW does use the Farragut's registry number that was given in some non-canon sources though.

It would be nice to hear about The Twelve again in SNW.

Spoiler: SNW Season 2

Some of the names do show up on the star charts in the musical episode

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The others could have been undergoing long-term refits or repairs, or could have been in the process of being rebuilt. Some may have been out of Starfleet service and given to someone else for salvage or alternate uses.

 

[Tallguy]

For all of their clever reconceptualizing of Star Trek, it would be nice if they could bring back what STARSHIP means. All through TOS the Enterprise was never a Constitution Class, she was a Starship. In Bread and Circuses Merik made a specific distinction between the Enterprise and a "spaceship".

 

[JesterFace]

How many times has it been suggested already that TOS may take place over five years?

 

[Tallguy]

How many times has it been suggested already that TOS may take place over five years?

From Corbomite Maneuver to The Counter-Clock Incident -- Five seasons. five years. Ta da!

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

One season of which is only 6 episodes. Maybe the events in that one were spread out over a longer time period though.

 

[Tuskin38]

All through TOS the Enterprise was never a Constitution Class

There is a technical diagram in one episode that says Constitution Class on it, but it's not legible in the episode.

Picard calls the original TOS version a Constitution Class in 'Relics', and Scotty doesn't correct him.

 

[drt]

There is a technical diagram in one episode that says Constitution Class on it, but it's not legible in the episode.

Even that occasion is arguable, because Scotty could have been reviewing phaser diagrams from a newer ship, with the idea of modifying Enterprise’s phasers accordingly.

And if we’re being pedantic, nothing in “The Immunity Syndrome” specifically says Intrepid was an Enterprise sister ship. McCoy does call it a “starship”, but (“Bread and Circuses” aside) the spaceship/starship distinction never seemed entirely 100% consistent.

 

[Nerys Myk]

One season of which is only 6 episodes. Maybe the events in that one were spread out over a longer time period though.

The idea that only missions/adventures the Enterprise had were what we saw on screen is pretty absurd. I doubt the time lapsed is even a year, much less five.

 

[JoseNoodles]

According to Gene Roddenberry "Kirk commanded the U.S.S. Enterprise on its historic five-year voyage and became the first starship captain in history to bring back both his vessel and his crew relatively intact after such a mission."

Even that comment implies that while Kirk's tenure was historic, five-year missions weren't exclusive to the Enterprise. Also I would place heavy emphasis on the word relatively.

 

[drt]

The idea that only missions/adventures the Enterprise had were what we saw on screen is pretty absurd. I doubt the time lapsed is even a year, much less five.

Now I’m wondering if anyone has attempted to roughly calculate how much time passes in universe for each episode. I’d say most are on the order of 2-3 days, but some are a matter of hours, while “The Paradise Syndrome” is a couple of months.

 

[Tallguy]

Even that comment implies that while Kirk's tenure was historic, five-year missions weren't exclusive to the Enterprise. Also I would place heavy emphasis on the word relatively.

Oh, it absolutely implies that there are other ships in the same mission. And only one makes it home.

There is also a feel in TOS that is undone by later Trek that Boldly Going like the Enterprise is really new. Final Frontier and all that.

Later Trek is much more lived in. The Enterprise makes it home fairly often. And "frontiers" after somewhat frowned upon these days.

 

[Henoch]

Now I’m wondering if anyone has attempted to roughly calculate how much time passes in universe for each episode. I’d say most are on the order of 2-3 days, but some are a matter of hours, while “The Paradise Syndrome” is a couple of months.

I have, but I rely on stardates to layout the episodes. Based on the first mission log of 1329.1 for Mudd's Women and the last mission log of 5943.9 for All Our Yesterdays, ~4615 stardates pass. At 1000 stardates per Earth year, that's 4.615 years or ~1685 days. Divide by 77 episodes (WNMHGB is not included since I have it as pre-series, and The Menagerie is one continuous two-parter) gives ~21.9 days per episode. So, on average, about three weeks pass between each episode. Makes sense.