The Final Season - Mysteries

[Starbreaker]

That would be great. I hope they can convince Mira Furlan to come back.

 

[pookha]

the last i read they had asked and she said no.

 

[Hunter X]

Good list.

-Not that it's been confirmed, but I always figured Jack got appendicitis and wasn't healed by the Island because he was going against the Island's(or Jacob's or The MIB's?) wishes. He was going to radio the ship and bring other people to the island. very bad people. Jack, of course, didn't know they were bad, but the Island(or Jacob or the MIB) was trying to stop him from doing it.

Yeah, I kind of figure that this will be one of those things that's we'll just have to put together ourselves. I just remember the writers making a point about it through Rose, so I do wonder if there will be more to it, which is why I left it unanswered. But I think your explanation will be what it is in the end.

-Maybe the Other took all the hair brushes to do DNA and genetic tests on the survivors?

-We also know why the Other's kidnapped Walt. He was special and apart from that the Kidnapped all of the children. I guess children are "innocent".

I guess this ties into how Walt is special. I mean, we see examples of it with his calling of the birds and astral projection, but there's nothing solid yet, just speculation. Same with why kids are kidnapped at all. Is it because they're innocent? Is it to supplement the fact the Others can't have their own kids?

-As for the four toed foot, we now know it was a base of a giant statue of T-something, an Egyptian god that only had four toes on each foot.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of why there's a gigantic statue of some Egyptian god, though. It's partially answered, in my opinion, but there will still be more about the statue to learn.

-How is Desmond Daniel's constant? We'll your constant is someone who knows you in both time frames that you are jumping through. Daniel knew Desmond from both the past (when time traveling Desmond visited him) and the present (on the island). So Desmond could be Daniels constant.

Again, I think you're right here. It wasn't explained enough for my liking, but I think we have all we're going to get on this one. I should probably italicize it, though I still want to hold out hope that there will be something a little more substantive. I'm fine with mysteries like the numbers and Jacob remaining a little mysterious right to the end, and I'm fine with the side mysteries that we probably care about way more than we should (like the hairbrushes) never being touched on. But it bugs me a little when the show makes a point to emphasize that Desmond is Daniel's constant, or that Dharma still gets food drops, or that Libby was in Hurley's mental hospital too, and then this is never followed up on.

I enjoy the discussion, though.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Good list of questions. I'd add, "What are the consequences since Aaron was 'raised by another?'"

 

[Hunter X]

Good list of questions. I'd add, "What are the consequences since Aaron was 'raised by another?'"

Hmm...It seems I can't edit the post anymore. I guess that's a limitation of the board I've just never found before.

Good question, though it's sort of covered in the Season One mystery of why Claire has to raise Aaron. But your question more specifically questions the scenario we got of Kate raising him. That can't be good for any kid.

 

[RoJoHen]

But your question more specifically questions the scenario we got of Kate raising him. That can't be good for any kid.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Good question, though it's sort of covered in the Season One mystery of why Claire has to raise Aaron. But your question more specifically questions the scenario we got of Kate raising him. That can't be good for any kid.

I don't suppose there's still the possibility of the psychic being a fraud. After all, he claimed to be one. Maybe it's all a big coincidence that the plane crashed.

 

[Dar70]

The numbers also appeared on the Hatch and the vaccine that Desmond was taking. I don't think that was ever explained.

The producers already stated several years ago that the numbers thing cannot really be explained. They just started putting them in the show randomly(hockey players jersey numbers) and kinda wrote themselves in a corner with it. I doubt we will ever get an explanation. Not a good one at least to explain all the occurances of the numbers.

 

[RoJoHen]

The numbers are Jacob and Smokey's birthdays...and they sprinkled them across time and space...so that no one would forget to buy them presents!

Unfortunately, people didn't realize that, so they didn't buy presents, which is why everybody who comes into contact with the numbers has bad luck. The only reason Hurley won the lottery was because he was supposed to buy a really AWESOME present. But he didn't, so Jacob and Smokey got pissed.

In the Alternate Universe, Jacob and Smokey are dead at the bottom of the ocean, so they can't punish people for not buying them presents, which is why bad things haven't happened to Hurley.

 

[Starbreaker]

Please send that in to the podcast.

 

[RoJoHen]

How do I do that? Because I totally will.

Honestly, at this point, I dare someone to come up with a better explanation.

 

[Starbreaker]

I always forget the e-mail address...

 

[RoJoHen]

Lame. I was hoping we could get them to make a webisode.

"LOST: Nobody Came To My Birthday."

 

[Mallet]

--Why was the Six’s return necessary to the survival of the seemingly happy survivors?

The answer to this one is that Christian (possibly the MIB) told Locke he needed to bring them all back to save everyone.

Also, between the time the helicopter carrying Jack and the rest left the island, and the time Locke left, most of the remaining survivors of 815 had been killed by flaming arrows, landmines, and were shifting through time and getting brain damage.

So as far as Locke knew he had to get everyone back asap to save whoever he could. He didn't know that by turning the wheel he was stopping the time jumps and landing Sawyer & co. in a place/time they could be happy in.

So this one is kind of answered. it should really be:

-Why did NotLock/Christian/the MIB want the Oceanic Six to return?

If Christian is really The MIB then was it just to take over Locke's identity after he died? If so, then why not leave him to die at the bottom of the pit with a broken leg then take his form? or did he also want the rest of them for other reasons? Remember it was also NotLocke that told the real Locke that he would have to die to get the O6 return. Was NotLocke (the MIB) trying to make sure Locke would kill himself? He would have if Ben hadn't stopped him.

Also, if Christian is just a "form" the MIB uses, then does his saying to Locke, "say "Hello" to my son" imply that the MIB is actually related to Jack?

 

[RoJoHen]

Speaking of Christian...

What is his deal?

All those random times he popped up in everyone's flashbacks...was that really Jack's father? Or was it some Jacob-esque vision? What is the connection between Island Christian and Real Life Christian? Is there one at all, or was Christian just a convenient "host" for MIB/NotLocke because he was already dead when the plane arrived?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The numbers are Jacob and Smokey's birthdays...and they sprinkled them across time and space...so that no one would forget to buy them presents!

Unfortunately, people didn't realize that, so they didn't buy presents, which is why everybody who comes into contact with the numbers has bad luck. The only reason Hurley won the lottery was because he was supposed to buy a really AWESOME present. But he didn't, so Jacob and Smokey got pissed.

In the Alternate Universe, Jacob and Smokey are dead at the bottom of the ocean, so they can't punish people for not buying them presents, which is why bad things haven't happened to Hurley.

My god, I think you just solved the entire series!

 

[RoJoHen]

I have decided I am going to rewatch the series with that theory in mind and see how it adds up.

 

[Hunter X]

--Why was the Six’s return necessary to the survival of the seemingly happy survivors?

So this one is kind of answered. it should really be:

-Why did NotLock/Christian/the MIB want the Oceanic Six to return?

If Christian is really The MIB then was it just to take over Locke's identity after he died? If so, then why not leave him to die at the bottom of the pit with a broken leg then take his form? or did he also want the rest of them for other reasons? Remember it was also NotLocke that told the real Locke that he would have to die to get the O6 return. Was NotLocke (the MIB) trying to make sure Locke would kill himself? He would have if Ben hadn't stopped him.

Also, if Christian is just a "form" the MIB uses, then does his saying to Locke, "say "Hello" to my son" imply that the MIB is actually related to Jack?

Yeah, that whole situation is quite confusing still. I think it first hinges on the fact that we don't know who Christian is affiliated with. He seems to be the Man in Black, but why does the Man in Black want the Island moved, aside from the obvious of getting it away from Keamy and Friends? Why does he seem to lead Jack to the caves in season one? Why does he send Locke to get the Six and is he all of the visions of dead people appearing to Hurley, also calling him back to the Island? Is Jacob a part of any of this too?

I can't help but think Jacob is involved somehow, since his dying statement of "they're coming." I suspect that he was referring to the survivors in Dharma-time coming back to the present, perhaps even resulting in some parallel universe cross-overs eventually. If "they" are something Jacob is planning and Faux-Locke is worried about, then doesn't the Six coming back to the Island seem like something Jacob orchestrated?

I didn't find it too hard to keep track of the time travel, or all the characters and shifting alliances of past seasons, or even this parallel universe thing so far. But I do find it hard to keep track of which ghost/dead person/weird occurance/orchestrated coincidence is really part of the Man in Black's plan and part of Jacob's plan.

 

[Mallet]

What is also interesting about the ghost Christian (and this might just be a mistake on the writers part) is that he can travel through time, so, if he can and he is actually the MIB or Jacob, then they can also travel through time.

How do we know this? We know because when Locke and Sawyer & Co were traveling through time they ended up in the distant past (back when the statue was whole, so we figure it was a long time ago (and at least well before Dharma or the 815 crash)) and Locke was down in the hole trying to move the island and Christian showed up to him and told him what he needed to do and to "say hi to my son". Well this was all maybe 2000 years ago (or at least years before the 815 crash, assuming the statue only recently fell down). So that means that Ghost Christian (or the MIB, or Jacob) was able to also go back in time and talk to Locke way back when.

So.... Does this mean that Jacob and The MIB live outside the space/time continuum? Maybe they can be anywhere in time that they like, but no matter where they are they can not physically effect things. They have to get/trick/manipulate/ask living people to do stuff for them. Just like the MIB had to get Ben to kill Jacob, since he couldn't kill him himself.

But what this also means is that the donkey wheel also exists in all times in one state. We know this, because the wheel was fine when Ben turned it and moved the island. Then it slipped off it's track and everyone started jumping through time. Then Locke, while somewhere far back in time, went to move the wheel and it was off it's tracks. It really should have been fine (and frozen solid) like it was when Ben got to in the future, but it wasn't. So this means that when Ben used it in the future, it went off it's tracks both forwards and backwards in time. Ouch for temporal paradoxes.

Or the writers just screwed up and forgot that Christian shouldn't be there so far back in the past and that the wheel also shouldn't have been messed up way back in the past either. It would have been an easy fix as well, all they need to do was show that they had time jumped to some point in the future, instead they make a point of showing us that they are far back in time.

 

[Hober Mallow]

What is also interesting about the ghost Christian (and this might just be a mistake on the writers part) is that he can travel through time, so, if he can and he is actually the MIB or Jacob, then they can also travel through time.

Maybe when the island moved and the Losties started time jumping, MIB went with them in Christian form wherever they went. It doesn't explain how he then ended up in 2007 when Sawyer and the other went back to 1974, though.