Forgive my two posts in a row. I still havent figured out how to multiquote from different people....
anyway, i agree with eddie. Thats the impression i was always left with TOS and Starfleet/The Federation.
The Federation in Star Trek XI
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Forgive my two posts in a row. I still havent figured out how to multiquote from different people....
anyway, i agree with eddie. Thats the impression i was always left with TOS and Starfleet/The Federation.
Lets say you want to quote 3 different posts in a single post of yours.
You press the Multi Quote button in the first 2 and the Quote button in the third.
You are now ready.
^ AHA! Thank you SALVORHARDIN!
I had no idea it could do that. I usually just copy & paste.
And by the way, people can also delete their posts for some time after they make them.
So no need to write "double post" or "please delete"
Just delete the unwanted post
So no need to write "double post" or "please delete"
Just delete the unwanted post
LOL...i've already had the opportunity to both delete and edit posts I've written.
again, i blame my puny puny brain.
again, i blame my puny puny brain.
Or you could click the Multi-Quote button on all three and then hit the 'Post Reply' button found at the top and bottom of each page. You'll get the same result, and quotes will be arranged in the order clicked on.
Apologies if this has been discussed before I didn't see an active thread for this particular topic so maybe it was discussed in another subject. As I stated in my original post I realize that I might have been nitpicking and Captain Pike doesn't have to explain the Federation in detail I just thought it was weird how he seemed to confuse Starfleet and his own government. For some reason I found the word armada to describe the Federation offensive!!! LOL! I too also notice it brought up a lot during the movie. Fleet was used...I also wonder from lines of dialouge exchanged in the movie how big Starfleet is in this movie? Since there are references that the "armada" under Enterprise's command (launched when they left spacedock) was in the Larentian system.
a lot of stuff between the federation and starfleet over the series seemed to be interchangable.
and starfleet wasnt just the military arm. it also seemed to run a lot of the scientific discovery and even some of the interplanetary medical within the federation.
just like the enterprise herself was just as much a scientific, diplomatic and exploration ship as she was a military ship.
just like armada dosnt always mean military.
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/armada
and starfleet wasnt just the military arm. it also seemed to run a lot of the scientific discovery and even some of the interplanetary medical within the federation.
just like the enterprise herself was just as much a scientific, diplomatic and exploration ship as she was a military ship.
just like armada dosnt always mean military.
http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/armada
I admit Pike's mixed up description bugged the hell out of me. Given Gene Roddenberry alledgedly had major criticisms about Star Trek VI and Starfleet being more militaristic, I don't see how he could've liked the Federation being described as an armada at all. You can't have an armada of planets. Planets don't go anywhere... like the Death Star! You can have an armada of ships, as in a Starfleet.
The Feds are a governing body covering member planets, an interstellar UN, because individual nation states in the future are enlightened and are more interested in the security of all. I suppose having no need for money, because what you lack can be fabricated from thin air, helps keep self interest low on the agenda.
Perhaps the Federation were plunged into war after Nero screwed up the past and Captain Pike spent several decades describing Starfleet and the Federation as having the same aim, especially if (as in Yesterday's Enterprise for instance) history over there has been going badly.
Hmmm. Something the sequel should pick up on I feel...
The Feds are a governing body covering member planets, an interstellar UN, because individual nation states in the future are enlightened and are more interested in the security of all. I suppose having no need for money, because what you lack can be fabricated from thin air, helps keep self interest low on the agenda.
Perhaps the Federation were plunged into war after Nero screwed up the past and Captain Pike spent several decades describing Starfleet and the Federation as having the same aim, especially if (as in Yesterday's Enterprise for instance) history over there has been going badly.
Hmmm. Something the sequel should pick up on I feel...
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Armada: (n) a large number of ships. Given that The Federation hasa Large number of ships on tap, Pike was grammatically correct.
The US Navy is also not 100% offensive in nature...the Navy staffs various types of vessels with limited offensive capabilities such as hospital ships and research vessels. For example, the US Navy's response to the 2004 Tsunami was very much like Starfleet rushing to the aid of Klingons...
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq130-4.htm
That was Later Gene Roddenberry. Younger Gene Roddenberry designed Starfleet to be the Federation's military and did not object to it when TOS depicted it as such ("Court Martial," "Errand of Mercy," etc).
It's not an interstellar United Nations; the U.N. is not a governing body. It is an international organization that seeks to promote the peaceful resolution of conflicts and to provide a platform for the launching of joint ventures by sovereign states.
The Federation is, however, a sovereign state.
actually just to be contrary technical about it planets indeed do travel through space.
and yeah gene during tos didnt have issues with things being more miitaristic.
even though exploration was one of the primary missions of the ship.
I don't mean to be rude or nitpick, but I did just want to point out that there's a difference between an organization being "military" or being "martial" and an organization being "militaristiic."
Militaristic is the adjective form of Militarism, a violent political philosophy that advocates warfare and conquest as a form of conflict resolution, appropriating the forms and styles of the military and its internal functionings to encourage obedience in the populace. The Federation Starfleet is a military, but it has never been militaristic.
actually just to be contrary technical about it planets indeed do travel through space.
and yeah gene during tos didnt have issues with things being more miitaristic.
even though exploration was one of the primary missions of the ship.
To be fair, the Federation was a union/alliance devoted to the concepts of democracy, scientific exploration and peace that happened to be ARMED TO THE TEETH. Much as, say, the United States with all our flaws and faults? The Federation is what many always hoped the UN would have been like...or close to it. Just throw in a superpower's military firepower multiplied several times over and you have the UFP. Look at the Federation the way most do the U.S. A democratic, well-meaning body that often flexes a lot of muscle...sometimes gratuitously.
It means What Would Gene Roddenberry Have Done.
To clarify I don't have any problem with the usage of the word armada...or the military aspects of Starfleet. My point is that I was bothered by how Pike specifically described the Federation when he should have been talking about Starfleet. He says to Kirk sometime to the effect of what i posted in my original post and attributes those qualities and characteristics to "The Federation". I'm sure the Council would take some kind of issue with that. Perhaps as some have suggested it was the posturing of a vetern Starfleet officer. I also know that in the early TOS episodes they hadn't quite pinned down the terms we're all familar with now but this seems like some sort of error on the writers part.
