The Fall of the Sheliak...or I surrender to the Abomination.

[Australis]

Good job, SheliakBob. I was wanting the movie to succeed bigtime, but I'm aware it's not perfect. I can point out all the things I did and didn't like, but there's not a lot of point because I haven't really shifted my point of view.

But it's been really interesting to see your shift in opinion. It may still not be your favourite, but you approached it with an open mind and made the effort to find positive aspects about it.

Well done, you.

In conclusion, I'd just like to add that the next one, with a bit of thought... can only be better.

 

[SalvorHardin]

I didn't think it would happen with SheliakBob but I greatly enjoyed his review posts in this thread.

Kudos sir.

 

[Jeri]

S-Bob, thanks for your refreshing insights. I just culled them out and put them together for my movie scrapbook folder.

 

[Borgminister]

Will this be an e-scrapbook?

Be interesting to see the redacted version should you be moved to share it.

How do you find the time between viewings?

 

[Jeri]

Nothing so formal. I have a Trek movie folder on my desktop that I drop things into time to time. It only takes two hours to see the movie, you know. It was lovely again last night.

 

[RAMA]

I too give him kudos...on the other hand the one thing that he is exactly the same about is not being able to make the mental jump to letting new actors into the roles. Considering this is Hollywood, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Lots of other franchises have stayed fresh with new actors taking over familiar roles. If you can't get past that you can't get past much.

RAMA

 

[Jeri]

...on the other hand the one thing that he is exactly the same about is not being able to make the mental jump to letting new actors into the roles. Considering this is Hollywood, it was boundto happen sooner or later...

Considering this is life, it was bound to happen. I thought the casting was the best thing of many good things.

 

[RAMA]

...on the other hand the one thing that he is exactly the same about is not being able to make the mental jump to letting new actors into the roles. Considering this is Hollywood, it was boundto happen sooner or later...

Considering this is life, it was bound to happen. I thought the casting was the best thing of many good things.

So did I, but some people are too narrow-minded. Frankly, I think this is just about the right time to cast new roles, anything 5 to 25 years ago would have seemed to soon to even myself...but the nostalgia was ripe (post Nemesis, many people clamored for more TOS--a la New Voyages), TOS-R primed the way, and just the right sort of production team (for WOM/clout in Hollywood and viewer familiarity), was assembled to make it work. Dare I say it was destiny?

RAMA

 

[Cakes488]

...on the other hand the one thing that he is exactly the same about is not being able to make the mental jump to letting new actors into the roles. Considering this is Hollywood, it was boundto happen sooner or later...

Considering this is life, it was bound to happen. I thought the casting was the best thing of many good things.

So did I, but some people are too narrow-minded. Frankly, I think this is just about the right time to cast new roles, anything 5 to 25 years ago would have seemed to soon to even myself...but the nostalgia was ripe (post Nemesis, many people clamored for more TOS--a la New Voyages), TOS-R primed the way, and just the right sort of production team (for WOM/clout in Hollywood and viewer familiarity), was assembled to make it work. Dare I say it was destiny?

RAMA

Destiny??? Now you've gone too far man!

 

[Jeri]

...Dare I say it was destiny?

If you did, you'd be in a lot of company. I see your point; I can't imagine a recast of TNG yet. But I probably would give it a shot if they did.

 

[SheliakBob]

Well.
Hell.
It's all still sacrilege and heresy to me. But I held my breath and kicked my feet and pounded on the desk with my fists and, well, it didn't seem to do much of anything. Except irritate some other fans and upset my co-workers.

There comes a point where one simply has to accept that the world is not always going to be cooperative and it's time to just suck it up and do the best you can with what you have.

Karl Urban, for me, proved that the absolute "no-recast" doctrine could be successfully superceded. If one of them is okay, then the rest are at least possible.

It's still not MY Trek, but it's the only Trek there's going to be for the immediate future. I'm trying to find what I can to like about it and hope that the other issues become less of a problem as time passes.

'Sides, that Alexander Courage salute music over the final credits made me weep like a baby.

 

[Jeri]

The TOS theme at the end is very BIG, isn't it? Inescapable. You can feel your hair blowing toward the back of the theater.

 

[indranee]

yeah, it makes you want to stay there, in the dark, soaking it all in. I must admit I cry a bit too when that music comes up. Alex Courage's spirit lives on in Trek more than anyone else's.

and it *was* destiny.

it was the right time for this. any later, and Trek would be in real danger of becoming another X-Files.

 

[Tuvok]

I'm going to watch The Abomination

Hulk SMASH!

Hulk 03 right.

Cause somebody has to love the original.

 

[SheliakBob]

Just a quick follow up note.
I've finally gotten around to seeing the movie again.
I'm STILL not getting much resolution on those mixed feeling thingies. Looks like I'm going to have to just live with 'em.

 

[SheliakBob]

WHOA!
Damn laptop posted that before I was even getting started.
blathers!

Okay.
Chris Pine--I don't HATE his character anymore, and I DO see some wee glimmers of "Kirk" in there. Maybe I'll warm up to him, eventually. Maybe not.

Happy to see that there were a LOT more aliens than I picked up on the first time round. Looks like my new sport for future viewings will be ignoring the main action and hunting for aliens in the backgrounds.

Speaking of those, the backgrounds are actually growing more interesting as I watch it again. Good to know that there'll be something new to look for in future viewings for some time to come. Have to give them points for visual depth and layering. When you can actually see things, that is...

Liking Urban's McCoy more and more.

I hate the new ship design, but DAMN! Those manipulative "beauty shots" with the rousing music and stuff, doing the goosebumps whether I want 'em or not!

Nero is my new role-model. Yup. I was watching the film with friends who've seen it, maybe a dozen or more times--They rather like it more than I do--when I realized that I TOTALLY identify with Nero. Yup!
That J.J. bastich and his buddies DESTROYED my world. Now I'd happily destroy each and every one of their's, if I had the chance. Ah, a future for the Prime Trek universe with no J.J. to hem it in...

So. Now I practice sitting in a crouch, whispering menacingly and holding my cane (ankle problems) in a melodramatic staff type way. My friends shake their heads a lot, but at least now we're talking again.

Yah, baby! I have the Red Matter down down down in me heart!
...which is apt to be rather...uncomfortable, from the looks of things.

STILL wish we could see more of the Kelvin and crew. seriously.

 

[M'Sharak]

Just a quick follow up note.
I've finally gotten around to seeing the movie again.
I'm STILL not getting much resolution on those mixed feeling thingies. Looks like I'm going to have to just live with 'em.

You're giving it the old college try, though.

(In time, I suspect that those mixed feeling thingies will get themselves sorted out.)

 

[trampledamage]

Happy to see that there were a LOT more aliens than I picked up on the first time round. Looks like my new sport for future viewings will be ignoring the main action and hunting for aliens in the backgrounds.

Speaking of those, the backgrounds are actually growing more interesting as I watch it again. Good to know that there'll be something new to look for in future viewings for some time to come. Have to give them points for visual depth and layering. When you can actually see things, that is...

The wealth of detail in the background characters is amazing - especially on the Kelvin. The film-makers have done a good job on making both it and the Enterprise seem like starships with actual crews rather than one room and ten people.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Just a quick follow up note.
I've finally gotten around to seeing the movie again.

Wow, do we have the makings of a full-fledged convert on our hands, folks?!

It's one thing to go see the movie and grudgingly admit that it didn't completely suck... quite another to go back a second time to make sure it didn't completely suck.

 

[SheliakBob]

Just a quick follow up note.
I've finally gotten around to seeing the movie again.

Wow, do we have the makings of a full-fledged convert on our hands, folks?!

It's one thing to go see the movie and grudgingly admit that it didn't completely suck... quite another to go back a second time to make sure it didn't completely suck.

"He -- he put creatures in our bodies. To control our minds. .... "