Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

[Ovation]

I don't think anyone said the author's interpretation was *invalid* because some of the audience disagree. Merely that the author's interpretation isn't any more valid (or any less valid) than the audience's. Because authorial intent is not 'proof' that x, y and z must indisputably be true.

Perhaps not here, but I’ve certainly encountered that view over the years. If left unstated, I concur that authorial intent has no more weight than the interpretation of an audience member. However, I strongly disagree with the notion that authorial intent must be “in text” to be authoritative. Should an author explicitly state, via interview or a set of notes/instructions that “x is/isn’t y”, then that’s sufficient to establish intent. To claim otherwise ignores the author’s agency in the creation of the art in question. I have little time for Derrida-like arguments to the contrary. They’ve wrought enough havoc in my discipline already.

 

[UssGlenn]

LGBTQIA+ people exist, they make up a large percentage of the population, and they deserve representation.

I'm not sure how you are defining "large" here but the adjective "loud" might be more accurate.

 

[Neroon]

Can we please return to discussing the show? There are some important side discussions related to the show and its actors, but much of the discussion is veering way off course.

 

[dupersuper]

3. The MCU (defined as the movies plus Disney+ series) does have a glaring lack of queer representation problem, which only grows with each new movie and episode.

One more reason to keep Agents of SHIELD, the Netflix shows, Runaways et all canon!!!!

Fiege does read this forum, right?

 

[Noname Given]

One more reason to keep Agents of SHIELD, the Netflix shows, Runaways et all canon!!!!

Fiege does read this forum, right?

Yeah about that... I doubt any of the creators or writers peruse forums like these much when they are working on a project because it's very dangerous (If they admit to doing so) come up with an idea that similar to something a group of fans posted on a forum, and depending on the situation one or more said fans might try to claim they came up with the idea and thus Disney owes them royalties because >X< MCU producer or writer obviously read the post and immediately went to their typewriter and used that idea for the story seen in an MCU project.

So yeah if they two take a gander at social media they do it very cautiously and very sparingly.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Yeah about that... I doubt any of the creators or writers peruse forums like these much when they are working on a project because it's very dangerous (If they admit to doing so) come up with an idea that similar to something a group of fans posted on a forum, and depending on the situation one or more said fans might try to claim they came up with the idea and thus Disney owes them royalties because >X< MCU producer or writer obviously read the post and immediately went to their typewriter and used that idea for the story seen in an MCU project.

So yeah if they two take a gander at social media they do it very cautiously and very sparingly.

God, it must of been around 20 years ago, but I was active on a Buffy BBS where one of the writers would pop in after an episode, respond to our comments and answer a few questions. Those were the days.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ Reminds me Goyer used to be really involved in the official Blade: the Series forum while it was on and Fuller and the crew were really active on Twitter with American Gods.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

God, it must of been around 20 years ago, but I was active on a Buffy BBS where one of the writers would pop in after an episode, respond to our comments and answer a few questions. Those were the days.

The Trek Literature forum in its heyday was frequented by many of the authors and editors at that time and it was always a joy to interact with them about their works, past, present, and future. Some of them still do, but not to the same great degree as back then.

Steven Moffat occasionally posted at GallifreyBase before he realized how crazy ridiculous they are over there...

Like you said, those were the days.

 

[Tuskin38]

RDM used to do Q&As online during DS9's run IIRC
Memory-Alpha has archives of them.

 

[Gaith]

One more reason to keep Agents of SHIELD, the Netflix shows, Runaways et all canon!!!!

AoS really wasn't much better, though, was it? There was that Latino Inhuman guy, and... a few other bit parts, probably, but I'm blanking. And I don't remember any such diversity in Agent Carter, either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

AoS really wasn't much better, though, was it? There was that Latino Inhuman guy, and... a few other bit parts, probably, but I'm blanking.

Uh, Ming Na Wen and Chloe Bennett are Asian Americans. They were leads. As was Henry Simmons, an African-American. Later seasons starred Natalia Cordova who's a Latina.

And I don't remember any such diversity in Agent Carter, either.

Well, it was set in the 1940s at a government agency. Not exactly a hot bed of diversification. Though a major plot is Peggy's "demotion" from top war time agent to basically a secretary.

 

[theenglish]

I think the discussion was about gender and sexual identity/orientation--rather than ethnic diversity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think the discussion was about gender and sexual identity/orientation--rather than ethnic diversity.

Ah, was thrown off by the mention of Gabriel Luna that Latino Inhuman guy. Scratch that, I'm not sure who that Latino Inhuman guy is

 

[Gaith]

I think the discussion was about gender and sexual identity/orientation--rather than ethnic diversity.

Yup. Ethnicity-wise, AoS was great on diversity.

Ah, was thrown off by the mention of Gabriel Luna that Latino Inhuman guy. Scratch that, I'm not sure who that Latino Inhuman guy is

Joey Gutierrez. He could, uh, "liquefy certain metals spontaneously at a distance of up to 3 meters." He appeared in 6 of 136, or about 4%, of the series' episodes.

 

[Anwar]

God, it must of been around 20 years ago, but I was active on a Buffy BBS where one of the writers would pop in after an episode, respond to our comments and answer a few questions. Those were the days.

I remember when Bruce Timm posted on the Toonzone forums.

 

[Gaith]

I distinctly remember what Trektoday confirmed was Shatner himself joining this very forum, and starting a thread to say hello. As I recall, he stuck around for maybe 13 hours.

 

[Skipper]

I remember when the authors and the cast of x-files wrote on alt.x-files (I believe). It was very short lived.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I'm not sure how you are defining "large" here but the adjective "loud" might be more accurate.

6-8% is pretty large.

But there again is a big difference between “They deserve” and “It is every artist’s innate responsibility to put what they deserve before their artistic vision”.

Artists are beholden to nobody’s worldview but their own. And if every person were to pick a side and wage culture war with their every waking thought and action, the world would be a much more uptight, joyless, sanctimonious place.

I think in general the artist’s portrayal is the default correct one. But the artist’s perspective isn’t absolute either, they may be representing something they don’t realize until fans pick it up later.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Artists are beholden to nobody’s worldview but their own. And if every person were to pick a side and wage culture war with their every waking thought and action, the world would be a much more uptight, joyless, sanctimonious place..

Well put.

 

[dupersuper]

AoS really wasn't much better, though, was it? There was that Latino Inhuman guy, and... a few other bit parts, probably, but I'm blanking.

No love for Piper? Doctor Benson?