Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

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  1. Xerxes82

    Xerxes82 Captain Captain

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    Let's take the Jon Snow approach. It's a lifetime appointment?Well, if you want to get really technical, they died. Their terms ended. That doesn't change just because they were later resurrected. And they would need to be reappointed in order to serve again.
     
  2. Timelord Victorious

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    Why did Tony approach Ross at the end of TIH again on Fury‘s orders?
    Because of the whole super soldier business, right?
     
  3. Anwar

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    Blonsky defied orders, which means Ross can claim he wasn't culpable. He had enough friends in high places to be appointed to the Government Cabinet after all.

    As opposed to the outright moronic way the comic did it?

    Again, not culpable. He has enough cover, as opposed to the Avengers not being to properly cover all their collateral damage. Yes, their actions saved a lot of people. Is that comfort to folks who lost loved ones as side damage? Not really.

    Er, Sam and Bucky themselves have gone to the extreme of breaking Zemo out of jail due to their worship of Steve. That's why they didn't contest Zemo's point, they realized he WAS right in some ways. And the Red Skull is another example. Zemo wasn't talking about Steve as a person, he was talking about Superhumans as what they get made into. How people in general look up to them as modern day Icons.
     
  4. P Tom

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    That was kind of explained in the Marvel One-Shot "The Consultant"

    Link to the video
    Looks like the full version is not available on Youtube.

    Yeah, it had something to do with the super soldier business.
     
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  5. Turtletrekker

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    Its on Vimeo...
     
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  6. ITDUDE

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    Watched Episodes 2 and 3 in one shot. Meeeh, it's just not clicking for me..
    It feels too stretched out. Walker is going to be evil... so do it already. Falcon and Bucky running around finding clues. We know they will confront Karli and Power Broker.. so do it already.
    While WandaVision was a freaking mystery where you couldn't wait for next episode to happen so the plot could be moved along, this feels like.. extended B-movie set in MCU franchise. Unlike WandaVision which benefited greatly from weekly releases, this one should have been released all at once. I'll probably just watch the last 3 episodes all in one shot, maybe it will be more enjoyable that way.
     
  7. TREK_GOD_1

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    I felt the opposite; first, WandaVision centers on two characters I've never found interesting in the MCU. Roy Thomas' introduction of the Vision 53 years ago remains its high point.

    Falcon and the Winter Soldier's plot runs along the most coherent of any taken from the MCU, which not only gives it a mature ground to stand on, but prevents it from going off of the rails with subjects that would be unfit for the leads as they have been developed over several films.
     
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  8. Turtletrekker

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  9. Noname Given

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    Until they (for the scene) needed 106 year old original Steve Rogers sitting on a bench who NEVER returned via the quantum time travel pad...yet STAYED in the same reality.;)
     
  10. Enterprise is Great

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    One full hour of Zemo dancing

     
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    Wait, wait, wait. He goes into a sting operation undercover, and he FORGETS TO TURN OFF HIS CELL PHONE?!

    The Steve Rogers thing is only a problem if he did anything that significantly contradicts the original timeline.
     
  12. dupersuper

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    ...Maddox?
     
  13. Turtletrekker

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    Wow. That escalated quickly. We all knew John Walker was going to step on board the Crazy Train sooner rather than later, but I was hoping that Lamar would make it through to the end.

    On a personal note, I watched this episode with my new hearing aids, and it's the first thing that I've watched since acquiring them. Previously I would watch television with volume set near maximum. I watched this episode with the volume set about halfway, and I think I probably could have watched it even lower. The nuance of sounds that I know I would have missed before was almost overwhelming. Background noises, birds chirping, children laughing, subtleties in the music. It's a whole new world. Or rather, an old one that I haven't had access to for a long time.
     
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  14. FPAlpha

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    Yeah well, Sam is a soldier, not a spy or covert operative. You forget such basic things, including even bringing your private cell phone to an operation to begin with.
     
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    Good to hear (no pun intended. Unless its a good one.) I've been thinking I need hearing aids for a while, just been putting off the test appointment. This may get me off my butt. :)
     
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  16. Seven of Five

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    Episode 4 was very tense, and actively held my interest throughout, much more than last week's episode.

    The series so far has been kind of interesting so far, so it's good to see it go up a notch.
     
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  17. Timelord Victorious

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    Best episode of the show so far.

    Walker‘s descent was predictable, but unavoidable I guess.

    His first lethal outburst in front of all those cameras and guaranteed to go viral within minutes all over the world is sure to create a media shitstorm rallying many to Karly‘s cause.

    As predictable as it was, I found Walker’s motivation believable, if a bit too compressed into a very short period of time.
    Tempted by the serum, but doubting it until getting humiliated by „normal“ powerlevel humans and driven to revenge by his best friend‘s murder.

    Can‘t wait until next week to see what happens.

    I assume Walker will not take responsibility and instead rationalize his actions as justified and righteous.
    He will start seeing himself as supreme and possibly dispose of anyone trying to impose their will on him.
    I‘ll happily be proven wrong, though.
    But a showdown between him and Sam will be inevitable.
     
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  18. Reverend

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    ...and that's when Fury drops Veronica on him...
    Seriously though; with or without the serum, he's less of a danger for his strength than for what he's supposed to represent. The face America chose to represent it's values and "greatness" to the world just used a symbol of liberty and heroism to bludgeon an unarmed man to death in the streets. He's just confirmed everything the Flag Smashers have been saying.
     
  19. Romulan_spy

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    Great episode!

    It was tense throughout. Great character moments. The fight scene with the Dora Milaje was great.

    It also did a good job of showing both sides of the issue. You can definitely see why Carli is doing what she is doing while not approving of her methods. She certainly has good reasons to feel wronged. She is just using extreme and misplaced methods for trying to solve the problem. I really liked Sam's talk with Carli at the funeral.

    I think many of us predicted that Walker would use the serum on himself. But that final action scene was amazing and what a WTF moment at the end. The imagery was so powerful of seeing this "Captain America" with blood on the shield. And the entire crowd filmed it. There will be videos on the internet of "Captain America" savagely murdering a man. It will do great damage to the symbol of Captain America! And Sam and Bucky watching in horror, seeing what this new "Captain America" has done! Powerful stuff!
     
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  20. thribs

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    I was cheering for Walker at the end. They deserved it. :)
    I know they are trying to show that the new Cap is unstable but there have been Captain America stories where Steve has gone all Batman as well.