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Spoilers The Expanse Season 5

While I like the books, one big issue I have with them is the antagonists are simply awful. They're not all pure mustache twirl, but they are all unlikable and/or horribly flawed, and show few to no redeeming qualities. The show is much, much better at portraying them as actual human beings, and less like the latest boss for Holden to defeat.
I imagine a lot of that has to do with the IP's origins as a backdrop for a game rather than novels or a show. Those tend to focus on the protagonists as the player's POV while villains are mostly just obstacles to overcome, not really characters in their own right.

Being a TV show gives them the opportunity and indeed, makes it necessary to flesh those elements out. Having decent actors on top of that also helps since they good ones can always bring something more than just what's on the page.
 
While episode 9 continued to feel like setup, I have to say the fight to get the rocket launched was really nicely done!

Looking forward to the season finale!
 
Well that was a rather Unceremonious death. I get why he had to leave because of all the foundling but it felt rather lazy. Personally I would have just have the character leave to stay closer with his family.
The ending was interesting. I was expecting this belter story to be over by the end of the season but it looks like they’re combining it with the proto-molecule story. Looks like the Martians have found a alien ship. The last shot was interesting. Have the wraiths possessed the crew?
 
What a fucking great ending.

But, what the hell happened at the end? I'm still confused. It is clear that there is some fuckery going on in the Mars establishment, they're in league with Marco, which has been pretty clear, but what was that colonised planet? The ship in orbit looked way too big to be any ship we know of? And what exactly happened at the end?
 
The answers to your questions are at the Expanse wiki, which has information from both the tv and novel sources. I have been using this source for when I have questions on what I am seeing.

The only item I did not like was the sudden reversal of Drummer's crew. It was not handled well and felt like something that was wrapped up clumsily.

Another item I did not like was the death of Alex. I was initially confused by what happen to him. It was good of them to provide an answer to what happen to him.
 
I assumed he died of a stroke, since they mentioned it several times in the build up. Sad end for a good character.

Also, I don't really wanna go to the Wiki, since there are book spoilers. All I could see was that the effect was similar to what we saw when they interacted with the void blackhole thing in Season 4.
 
Can someone explain to me what the final scene was about?

What a fucking great ending.

But, what the hell happened at the end? I'm still confused. It is clear that there is some fuckery going on in the Mars establishment, they're in league with Marco, which has been pretty clear, but what was that colonised planet? The ship in orbit looked way too big to be any ship we know of? And what exactly happened at the end?

To say too much would undoubtedly be spoilers. But the Martian (now Laconian) ship passed through the gate from the Ring-space where Medina station is... and never came out the other side. Vanished. In the books the phenomenon is termed "going Dutchman."

As for the planet, well that's a spoiler too. But if you're actually curious what was seen in orbit above the planet, which is called Laconia and is the new homeworld of the Martian military, I'll code it.

That's a protomolecule construction rig. Basically an orbital shipyard.
 
I assumed he died of a stroke, since they mentioned it several times in the build up. Sad end for a good character.

Also, I don't really wanna go to the Wiki, since there are book spoilers. All I could see was that the effect was similar to what we saw when they interacted with the void blackhole thing in Season 4.
As to the effect it was also showed this season when Holden was explaining things to Fred. Saying it was from the alien race that destroyed the Ring Makers. And that Holden felt it each time going through the gates, and that it felt like they were angry.
 
I was joking they'd just kill Alex off in the last episode off-screen with clever editing and looped dialogue, but I didn't think they'd actually do it (my friend who's been watching the show with me had his money on Alex deciding to have extreme plastic surgery between seasons to represent the finality of his divorce and estrangement from his family; "new face, new me"). I imagine that the technical aspect was a bit involved. There were only a couple of scenes that mentioned his death directly, all on the Rocinante and only involving a two or three characters at a time, so I assume those were reshoots done as the very first thing when filming started on season 6. Anvar was probably painted out of shots he was in during the party scene (there were a couple of conspicuous gaps in the staging, and Avasarala was obviously looped when she mentioned it to Bobbie).

We'll probably never see it, and I'm sure just reading the book would give us a decent idea, but I'm curious about what the rough-cut of the episode as originally shot looked like with Alex in it.

As for the manner, I respect it. They talk all the time about how dangerous high-g flight is, they probably were due to pay it off with a random death (and I understand in the corresponding novel, a different character did have a stroke and die because they were going too fast for too long), though in a perfect world, it would've been nice if it was a bit less abrupt, if there'd been any subtle sign Alex was woozy or otherwise at death's door. On the other hand, I'm not sure it wasn't realistic for that sort of injury to be fatal without the victim having the faintest idea anything was wrong until the moment they die.

Putting aside that elephant in the room, I died laughing at Amos's extremely Amos attempt to tactfully talk Holden in to letting Clarissa join the crew, leaving him too confused to even understand what he was agreeing to.

Naomi jumping out of the ship not to be rescued, but as a last-ditch attempt to keep her friends from getting themselves killed by Marco's trap was just perfect, as was her and Holden listening to her last message together.

I was on my feet cheering when Drummer decided she was through with Marco's bullshit and saved the Roci. I do agree that the full dynamic of her and her crew/family wasn't really explored enough for it to land. I mean, I get that Marco killing his hostage in response was a blow, but they mostly seemed somewhere between mindlessly sanguine and hopelessly naïve Marco systematically killing everyone Drummer had ever cared about wouldn't have gotten around to them, too, even if she had been his perfect little pet. I was waiting for someone to point that out, to ask if they would've killed Drummer when Marco asked them to do it, or they would've wanted Drummer to kill them on Marco's order to keep the others safe.

But, what the hell happened at the end? I'm still confused. It is clear that there is some fuckery going on in the Mars establishment, they're in league with Marco, which has been pretty clear, but what was that colonised planet? The ship in orbit looked way too big to be any ship we know of? And what exactly happened at the end?

I haven't read the books, this is all just based on what I've taken from the show.

Admiral Sauveterre has apparently set up his own splinter faction of the Martian military (possibly most of the remaining Martian military). He was supporting Marco's terrorist actions largely as a feint. Someone aligned with Sauveterre identified a planet which had intact ships from the civilization that built the Rings and protomolecule in orbit. Sauveterre wanted those ships, specifically, and advanced protomolecule-builder technology in general, so he could build better version of the pseudo-fascist ideal of Mars. What he needed from Marco was to get the last live protomolecule, which Fred Johnson had, and the last live protomolecule expert, which Anderson Dawes had (the scientist, Cortázar, from season two. We heard Marco kidnapped him earlier, and a message from him popped up on Sauveterre's screen in this episode). Marco causing chaos throughout the system was a general bonus, and being able to co-opt Medina Station and control of the Ring-Space from the inside meant Sauveterre could just walk to his alien fleet rather than fighting his way to it and defending it once he got there, but I'm sure Sauveterre only really needed the protomolecule materials to give him the spark and the know-how to reactivate the alien technology.

Now we have a cadre of fascist (formerly) Martian fanatics with a cache of unbelievably advanced military technology and the means to potentially exploit it, as well as total military control of the Ring Space, potentially putting a stop to all emigration from Earth, Mars, and the Belt to the other habitable systems (I'm not entirely sure what Sauveterre meant when he said he'd mined "his side" of the Ring, if he meant his side of the Sol Ring, or the Ring to his new system). Which is bad, since Earth is now in powerful need of being evacuated.

As for the closing shot, the entities that destroyed the aliens that built the Rings have seemed to be reawakening since humans started using the Ring gates. Holden saw ghosts of them whenever he transited, but what happened at the end of this episode was certainly more than that. I'm not sure what to make of it, if it was entirely figurative, showing they're awake and active again and soon to be on the move, or if they attacked Sauveterre's ship as it transited the ring, or somehow attached themselves to it (or the crew), but it's definitely a striking image to end the season on, and I'm sure we'll find out exactly what it meant in a year.

ETA: Okay, I read the post just above this, so now I know. But, still. Striking.
 
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Now we have a cadre of fascist (formerly) Martian fanatics with a cache of unbelievably advanced military technology and the means to potentially exploit it, as well as total military control of the Ring Space, potentially putting a stop to all emigration from Earth, Mars, and the Belt to the other habitable systems (I'm not entirely sure what Sauveterre meant when he said he'd mined "his side" of the Ring, if he meant his side of the Sol Ring, or the Ring to his new system). Which is bad, since Earth is now in powerful need of being evacuated.

So, you can totally be forgiven for not catching it, since I only heard them mention the name once, but Sauveterre isn't actually the brains behind the Martian military exodus. He reports to Admiral Duarte (who was mentioned during the discussion with Marco right at the very end, but I don't think he was mentioned all season before this), who is now the head of the Laconian faction.

The Laconians have mined their side of the Laconia gate. No other humans allowed.
 
So, you can totally be forgiven for not catching it, since I only heard them mention the name once, but Sauveterre isn't actually the brains behind the Martian military exodus. He reports to Admiral Duarte (who was mentioned during the discussion with Marco right at the very end, but I don't think he was mentioned all season before this), who is now the head of the Laconian faction.

The Laconians have mined their side of the Laconia gate. No other humans allowed.

Thanks for the clarification. So non-Laconian humans aren't necessarily in danger of total extinction with the devastation of Earth and the loss of its arable land and plentiful clean air and water. That's a comfort.
 
Thanks for the clarification. So non-Laconian humans aren't necessarily in danger of total extinction with the devastation of Earth and the loss of its arable land and plentiful clean air and water. That's a comfort.

Well, Marco Inaros DOES still control the Sol ring and Medina station. So I'm not sure I feel good about the Sol system's chances just yet.
 
As for the closing shot, the entities that destroyed the aliens that built the Rings have seemed to be reawakening since humans started using the Ring gates.
Semantics I know, but "reawakening" doesn't really fit since that implies they were ever asleep. Or indeed that time is even a thing for them.

Probably the best way to understand it is in the terms of the Kardashev scale. In that context, the ring builders were a Type 2 civilization that was well on it's way to becoming a Type 3. However, because their tech go so advanced on the quantum physics side of things (like the rings, and FTL communication) they attracted the attention of a Type 4, or perhaps Type 5 civilization, who promptly blinked them out of existence in what appears to have been mild irritation.
Which is especially terrifying when you consider that even as advanced as humans are in in this fictional future, we're still just a little Type 0 civilization, swaggering around like a proverbial protozoa, playing with a live hand grenade.
Has there been any exploration as to why it happens in the show the way the book did.
All I can remember is mention of ships going missing
There was.
Short version: the method the rings use to side-step normal space intersects with whatever plane of existence these entities call home. Their motivations are unclear (and probably unknowable) but they seem to take exception to large amounts of foreign matter passing through their back yard, and respond by severing the bonds between subatomic particles. All of them.
Naomi figures out that ships going "Duchman" isn't random, but happens when a certain amount of mass transits ringspace at the same time (typically when there's a lot of high mass traffic through several rings at once.) Either because that's enough to irritate them into action, or because the associated energy levels allow them to interact with matter as we understand it.
 
One of their best seasons overall, despite too much/long focus on Naomi's escape/rescue IMO

as for the finale:
liked how the solved the Alex Kamal/Cas Anvar issue. Yeah, there seem to have been a couple of edits/reshoots, but I doubt many casual watchers knew/noticed.
Would have liked to see a bit more of Drummer/Crew.
Going Dutchman was well done.
Extremely disappointed however we didn't get the Amos/Avasarala Luna "welcome conversation" and no Bobbie surfing a rocket torpedo missile.
 
A little sad to see the character of Alex Kamal being written but i do know the reasons why he was killed off.

I was confused by Josep and Oksana's actions. I wonder why did Josep side with Drummer as i did not recall Josep being anti Marco Inaros. I always thought that Oksana would eventually side with Drummer. She left Drummer instead.

I actually liked Amos guilt tripping Holden into allowing Peaches onboard. Holden is reasonably not fond of a multiple murderer being onboard the ship.

So can i assume Sauveterre and his crew are dead ? And where is Admiral Duarte right now ?

BTW having only two Earther and one Martian ship guarding the Sol Ring is stupid. They should have either disarmed Medina station or placed Marines onboard the station to make sure that they didn't side with Marco Inaros.
 
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