That wikipedia article... wow. I'll just say, not up to wikipedia standards. Why don't they start off with what the treaty is and what the countries pledged in exchange, and THEN go into the perceived problems with it? Wikipedia is intended to be basic facts for people who are not familiar, not a list of grievances from one side (only) of the treaty.
The Episode Dax?
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That wikipedia article... wow. I'll just say, not up to wikipedia standards. Why don't they start off with what the treaty is and what the countries pledged in exchange, and THEN go into the perceived problems with it? Wikipedia is intended to be basic facts for people who are not familiar, not a list of grievances from one side (only) of the treaty.
The thing is, the Episode immediately starts off with a problem because the attempted Extraordinary Rendition of Dax constitutes an Act of War against the Federation and that is never mentioned.
Trying to kidnap a Federation citizen to face charges in the context of a former Trill Host under the Dubious circumstances should have been met with extreme action on the part of the Federation and same thing when O’Brien was kidnapped by the Cardassians the way he was to face charges on Cardassia Prime.
Just a TV Show but that always bothered me.
Trying to kidnap a Federation citizen to face charges in the context of a former Trill Host under the Dubious circumstances should have been met with extreme action on the part of the Federation and same thing when O’Brien was kidnapped by the Cardassians the way he was to face charges on Cardassia Prime.
Just a TV Show but that always bothered me.
I doubt that the Federation would go to war with another species over one attempted kidnapping. Nor should they. (That's not to say there should be no reaction, but we don't know that there wasn't one either. The episode is about one specific piece of the story, we don't know what happened between Fed and Klaestron following the incident.)
Well it’s certainly not exactly unprecedented that the Federation doesn’t exactly act aggressively to constant abuses against its citizens by foreign powers
All I said was it did constitute an act of war, not that the Federation would actually go to war over it, I definitely agree they wouldn’t.
My take on that would be that declaring an act of war against the Federation would be a bit of stretch in at least Dax (DS9) as they aren't in Federation territory.
Although, Kira implies that she at least would have been behind the Bajorans starting something if the Klaestrons hadn't played ball:
SISKO: This station is technically Bajoran.
TANDRO: What does that mean to us?
SISKO: You don't have an extradition treaty with Bajor. I think that's why you tried to abduct Lieutenant Dax. You were afraid the Bajorans would refuse extradition.
TANDRO: That's absurd. No Bajoran interests are even involved here.
KIRA: How did you know your way around the station so well?
TANDRO: My conversation is with the Commander.
SISKO: No, your conversation is with my First Officer now.
KIRA: You Klaestrons are allies of the Cardassians. Your knowledge of this station confirms that. They must have given you the layout, which not only compromises Bajoran security, but also annoys us.
SISKO: I'm afraid Bajoran interests are involved, and Bajor is adamant that. At least I believe it's adamant.
KIRA: Oh, yes.
SISKO: You see. There will have to be an extradition hearing before I can lawfully release Lieutenant Dax.
Although, Kira implies that she at least would have been behind the Bajorans starting something if the Klaestrons hadn't played ball:
SISKO: This station is technically Bajoran.
TANDRO: What does that mean to us?
SISKO: You don't have an extradition treaty with Bajor. I think that's why you tried to abduct Lieutenant Dax. You were afraid the Bajorans would refuse extradition.
TANDRO: That's absurd. No Bajoran interests are even involved here.
KIRA: How did you know your way around the station so well?
TANDRO: My conversation is with the Commander.
SISKO: No, your conversation is with my First Officer now.
KIRA: You Klaestrons are allies of the Cardassians. Your knowledge of this station confirms that. They must have given you the layout, which not only compromises Bajoran security, but also annoys us.
SISKO: I'm afraid Bajoran interests are involved, and Bajor is adamant that. At least I believe it's adamant.
KIRA: Oh, yes.
SISKO: You see. There will have to be an extradition hearing before I can lawfully release Lieutenant Dax.
One wonders about Klaestron ability to deal with disgruntled neighbors. The ship that Tandro used presumably wasn't overtly Klaestron, or at least there would be little reason for it to be if Tandro could arrange for a bit of anonymity instead. Him being able to secure what looks like Talarian military tech might establish the Klaestron have access to weapons that have been previously explicitly used to challenge the Federation - boding ill for bit players like Bajor. Then again, special forces are hardly representative of regular forces, and a one-off criminal operation may be the only type for which Tandro could purchase, rent, steal or otherwise acquire such a vessel.
Possibly Starfleet would have made short work of "allies of Cardassia" in the recent war, in order to render the surrounding space "neutral" rather than still overtly allied with Cardassia. But the one-way extradition treaty smacks of appeasement, perhaps because Starfleet never had the time or patience to do anything about Klaestron bullying and posturing. Or then the treaty exists because the Klaestron are known to be utterly harmless?
Timo Saloniemi
Possibly Starfleet would have made short work of "allies of Cardassia" in the recent war, in order to render the surrounding space "neutral" rather than still overtly allied with Cardassia. But the one-way extradition treaty smacks of appeasement, perhaps because Starfleet never had the time or patience to do anything about Klaestron bullying and posturing. Or then the treaty exists because the Klaestron are known to be utterly harmless?
Timo Saloniemi
wonder how the klaesttron news media spun it When theyd been gearing up for a grand trial... but now its been canceled and the defendent found innocent.
And the widow of a great hero having confessed to adultery
And the widow of a great hero having confessed to adultery
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