The Episode Dax?

[WesleysDisciple]

Few Questions I had Think the guy even thought of continuing the Extradition just to charge dax with being a homewrecker?

Is it safe to say he's lucky his mother came when she did
it would have been VERY Humiliating if she came during a trial and gave that statement.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Fairly certain that's not a charge that would lead to extradition.

 

[Michael]

The exact details of that plot sucked, but it was a cool vehicle to learn more about the Trill in general and Dax in particular. I think it's also neat that Dorothy Fontana got to write for Deep Space Nine as well.

 

[WesleysDisciple]

Think he probably figured out at the end hed gotten Obsessed with justice for A case where it Simply didn't exist

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would have assumed that Federation law (and Trill's own) would have long since established that Trill hosts are, legally speaking, separate beings. So the episode kind of falls flat just on that point.

For example, Joran Dax was insane and a murderer, but you don't see any future Dax hosts being prosecuted for his crimes...

 

[Tosk]

I would have assumed that Federation law (and Trill's own) would have long since established that Trill hosts are, legally speaking, separate beings. So the episode kind of falls flat just on that point.

The episode sidesteps both Federation and Trill law regarding the issue, as Klaestron has an extradition treaty with the Federation. That's why Sisko gets Bajor involved. They do not have a treaty with Klaestron, or any defined laws regarding Trill.

 

[Farscape One]

It did happen on a Bajoran station, so in the end, Bajor had the final say.

 

[kkt]

You'd think the Bajoran judge's first question would be does Trill judge a joined Trill for the misdeeds of past hosts.

 

[amp]

From the episode:

TANDRO: You'll find that to be a valid warrant for her arrest. The relevant treaty between Klaestron Four and your Federation allows for unilateral extradition.

Seriously? The Federation allows other jurisdictions to enter into their space, kidnap Federation citizens, and haul them away to some faraway star system? Man, does the Federation sign some bad treaties.

 

[Tosk]

The treaty does not allow for kidnapping. Tandro tried to kidnap Dax because he knew he would run into trouble trying to legally force Dax to come with him. Presumably, if she were on a Federation starbase then Tandro would have presented the extradition papers and requested to take her in an official manner.

 

[amp]

The treaty does not allow for kidnapping. Tandro tried to kidnap Dax because he knew he would run into trouble trying to legally force Dax to come with him. Presumably, if she were on a Federation starbase then Tandro would have presented the extradition papers and requested to take her in an official manner.

I took the words "unilateral extradition" to mean that the representatives of Klaestron Four didn't need to actually involve Federation officials but could choose to act by themselves.

I guess the alternate explanation is that while papers are supposed to be presented, the Federation must comply with the warrant and turn over their citizen without being able to raise any objections. Even so, that would also be a lousy policy. Especially since the Klaestrons have the death penalty for crimes like murder and treason while the Federation doesn't.

 

[Tosk]

I took the words "unilateral extradition" to mean that the representatives of Klaestron Four didn't need to actually involve Federation officials but could choose to act by themselves.

I assumed that it simply meant that the treaty was one-sided when it came to extradition. ie: That Klaestron IV did not agree to extradite or render their own people to the Federation.

 

[Timo]

Heck, the Federation in TOS doesn't even believe in punishment as a concept - criminals only ever get therapy (even if it sometimes requires locking them up for a while). And even in DS9, punishment only ever touches non-Feds, and then Richard Bashir who committed an ancient crime and violated a strong human taboo.

Any comparison of justice systems would be highly asymmetric, then, regardless of the partner in the extradition treaty. I'm sure there's a host of death penalties in Klingon law in the 24th century, too, yet there's an extradition treaty there as well ("Rules of Engagement"). We don't know if that one is unilateral or bilateral, but I could well see the Klingons refusing to sign for the latter when they familiarize themselves with the barbaric UFP practices of imprisonment and brainwashing, and the inability to defend one's case through a perfectly fair duel.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[WesleysDisciple]

Thoughts on how Tandro felt at the end he'd spent so much of himself seeking after justice

and now it was so humiliatingly thrown in his face

 

[amp]

I assumed that it simply meant that the treaty was one-sided when it came to extradition. ie: That Klaestron IV did not agree to extradite or render their own people to the Federation.

A one-way extradition treaty is even worse.

 

[kkt]

The treaty does not allow for kidnapping. Tandro tried to kidnap Dax because he knew he would run into trouble trying to legally force Dax to come with him. Presumably, if she were on a Federation starbase then Tandro would have presented the extradition papers and requested to take her in an official manner.

Fine. Then Tandro can take Dax with him for trial if the Bajoran court approves... just as soon as he finishes serving several years in a penal colony for attempted kidnapping.

 

[WesleysDisciple]

Fine. Then Tandro can take Dax with him for trial if the Bajoran court approves... just as soon as he finishes serving several years in a penal colony for attempted kidnapping.

that would have been an interesting road block.

 

[Tosk]

A one-way extradition treaty is even worse.

The Federation has a history of agreeing to lopsided treaties. (Re: No development of cloaking technology.) I'm sure they did what they thought was for the best.

 

[diankra]

A one-way extradition treaty is even worse.

They exist in the present day...

 

[amp]

They exist in the present day...

But in the present day it's almost always the larger power that benefits from a one-sided extradition treaty. In this case, it would be the smaller power that gets the advantage. (I'm assuming the Klaestrons are not a major force in the alpha quadrant.)

Of course what can you expect from the government that signed the Treaty of Algeron?