The End Of Time Part 2 - Comment & Grading SPOILERS

[Timby]

I also liked the music at the beginning. It's a different version of a track whose name I forget.

It was a slower, more bombastic version of a portion of "This is Gallifrey: Our Childhood, Our Home."

As for the episode ... really, it was better than it had any right to be. There was still some eye-rolling, ludicrous bullshit (the Star Wars sequence with the missiles was just silly, and introducing and then dispatching the Time Lords like any other villain of the week -- in the span of ten minutes, no less -- was rather odd), and there are still some major structural problems with the larger story itself, the biggest of which is the entire Naismith thing, which really had no function whatsoever and a quick rewrite could have excised the characters entirely ... but my wife and I still enjoyed it, much more than Part I, which we re-watched immediately before this one. Both episodes were utterly insane, but Part II wasn't hugely retarded and insane, which was the biggest problem with the first part.

It is kind of tragic to think that the Tenth Doctor is depressed about his death and doesn't want to go. He's understandably sad about the demise of his current incarnation, but as his new self, he's got a whole life ahead of him and he doesn't even care that he was sad about it, and maybe isn't even capable of caring that he just carked it, because of the focus on a new life. He just gets all happy and excited.

I do hope, now that we've seen the Time Lords as the colossal douchebags they've always been, that we get to have a Doctor that doesn't suffer any survivor's guilt / species angst.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It was great that Ten didn't want to die - and marvelous that he got to revisit Rose just before everything began. Aside from that, this regeneration wasn't nearly as affecting as Eccleston's - plus, we're losing Tennant for Forehead Boy.

Glad to see that he kicked the Time Lords in the nuts and sent them back to Neverland again, though. The idea of those refugees from Ming's haberdashery handing around was way too silly.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I thought the episode was okay...going to have to watch it again and fully digest things like I did with part one. Who was the other Time Lord on "Rassilon's" left who had his eyes covered? Was he supposed to be a member of the Doctor's family like it was implied with "Susan" on the right? Wilf being the one who knocked four times...I thought that was clever. The character moments and dialogue between Wilf and the Doctor were terrific in both episodes and more than made up for the countless plot holes and bizare nature of both these episodes.

Mickey and Martha being married...I guess she broke up with her finance in 2009 (series four takes place in 2009 correct? This duology takes place at Christmas 2010). This makes me wish that they still would join Torchwood for series four, speaking of which I kind of liked the bar scene with Jack getting hooked up with the dude from Voyage of the Damned (forget his name now) and the bar scene with a nod to all of RTD's monsters and aliens. I was dissappointed with how Donna was used, I wish we could have seen The Doctor Donna just one more time. Good to see her getting married though. Rose...ah...Rose...my first companion.

The regeneration scene I thought was done nicely...emotional moment for myself, David's been a great Doctor. He will be MY Doctor, I think Wilf was really the audience POV in this episode. Expressing our love for David. So thank you David for your five years of service and epic acting. Matt Smith...he's going to be an interesting Doctor and once again it seems he can't remember who he is. I'm looking forwrad to March more easily than I thoguht he was.

As for the specials soundtracks...I read somethign posted on a soundtrack forum that Murrary Gold is quoted as saying that he thinks maybe Feb will be a release date for the special soundtrack. I know there was a lot of rehashed material but there was also some cool new stuff, especially in Waters of Mars and the End of Time. I hope it's a two disc and like BSG Season Four, includes a disc with just the score from End of Time.

Finally The Time Lords being thrust back into the Time War and locked...disapointed...I thought it would be really cool to have them back, even in a limited capicity.

 

[The Doctor]

Well, the best I can come up with is that Tennant was brilliant. The rest was largely incomprehensible. I did like that he didn't have a stiff upper lip at the end. 'I don't want to go' really rang true. The new Doctor is pretty underwhelming so far, but I felt that way about Tennant initially as well. That Matt Smith appears to have settled on imitating Tennant for his Doctor doesn't bode well.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I suppose we've seen the last of Simm's Master as well, which is a pity. Simm would have made a good Doctor.

 

[26138]

The Doctor should have regenerated right after absorbing the radiation. I think it would have been much better if when he got up from the floor, he was Matt Smith. The long drawn out "goodbye" scene was not needed.

P.S. WORST RESCUE EVER!

 

[Jax]

I liked the long goodbye because the ending is key for one for Moffat to have an excuse to give the TARDIS a new makeover and how sad is that slow regeneration scene . Also its a nice nod to the 1st doctor slow death because radiation does normally take a little time to kill you. Also I agree with RTD it was nice to have a nod to other characters from 2005-2010, that great year line to Billie was so great.

So much of RTD's Doctor Who is fast pace it was nice to have something so slow so painfully sad.

That Matt Smith appears to have settled on imitating Tennant for his Doctor doesn't bode well

That would be the Directors call not Smith...Moffat will get to work with him and he will be different am sure but still with that quirkeness we all love and adore.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Finally The Time Lords being thrust back into the Time War and locked...disapointed...I thought it would be really cool to have them back, even in a limited capicity.

I wonder if having them here was just RTD ensuring they stay locked away from Moffett. I don't know that he'd be that petty but the thought crossed my mind when I was thinking of how Rose and Donna are similarly sealed off. Probably just coincidental though and I'm not sure that Moffett has any interest in those and the Doc 11 trailer seems to show that he's already bringing back his own toys.

 

[Jax]

RTD probably didn't have the final call on the Time Lords, he probably asked Moffat if he wanted them around and maybe Moffet said no.

 

[Sci]

Brilliant. Loved it. Loved the smaltz at the end. Loved seeing Rose one last time.

And most of all? Honestly?

I'm glad the RTD era is over. Not because I don't enjoy RTD's writing -- but because four years of fanboys whining about it is more than enough for me. Let them whine about how Moffat's ruining the franchise for a while.

 

[Awesome Possum]

That ending made me very, very sad.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Brilliant. Loved it. Loved the smaltz at the end. Loved seeing Rose one last time.

And most of all? Honestly?

I'm glad the RTD era is over. Not because I don't enjoy RTD's writing -- but because four years of fanboys whining about it is more than enough for me. Let them whine about how Moffat's ruining the franchise for a while.

Hehe, he has some definite good points, it's offset by some flaws. He does seem to have gone to the well one too many times and somewhat exhausted himself, IMO.

*cracks knuckles* Now to dig into Moffat *evil grin*

For starters, I need to practice just getting the spelling of his name right....

 

[Kelso]

I loved it.

Moffat and Smith are both going to have to fill some big shoes if they're going to make me fall in love with this show all over again.

 

[Timby]

I will say that the handling of Susan was one of the classiest, most subtle and most restrained things this show has ever done. I thought that was wonderful.

 

[Australis]

^ That's really really true. If that is what it is, and I'm inclined to think so, it was a moment only fanboys, plus those who listen closely, would have got. You can't have many moments like that, but it was a wow.

Brilliant. Loved it. Loved the smaltz at the end. Loved seeing Rose one last time.

And most of all? Honestly?

I'm glad the RTD era is over. Not because I don't enjoy RTD's writing -- but because four years of fanboys whining about it is more than enough for me. Let them whine about how Moffat's ruining the franchise for a while.

Same old same old, then.

I'm hoping Moffat in charge brings a new take which is distinct from what's gone before. And I think it will.

 

[MikeS]

Crap nonsenseical plot! Oh and the last 20minutes was self indulgent tripe.

That was shit.

That was really shit.

^This!

HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT

RTD's fanwank goodbye. Good riddance.

By the end I was hurrying the whiney egotistical Doctor to death (he's seemed out of character in the past couple of specials). I think Tenant definitely bowed out at the right time.

I don't see why that was what trashed the TARDIS though.

I got the impression that it was all that radiation. Kind of like a dirty nuke going off.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I didn't want the Doctor (Ten) to go either, but I'm glad he and us got to say good-bye properly. Oh, and Donna got the happy ending I've always wanted her to have.

 

[Kelthaz]

Well that was stupid. The Time Lords were portrayed as the biggest threat ever, and than get killed by another switch flipping. Okay, switch shooting, but it's the same thing. The Master's plan went nowhere. Many loose ends were left dangling (what the hell did the Ood have to do with anything?). It was incredibly cheesy and over-the-top. It was ... it was fantastic. I loved every moment of it. I loved the cheese, I loved the anti-climatic ending, I loved it all. You will be missed RTD.

Anyway, did anyone else think that when The Doctor collapsed in the snow after talking to Rose that Eccleston was going to help him to the TARDIS? The first Doctor that RTD created and the beginning of his era coming back for one more scene at the end of it all.

 

[MikeS]

Anyway, did anyone else think that when The Doctor collapsed in the snow after talking to Rose that Eccleston was going to help him to the TARDIS? The first Doctor that RTD created and the beginning of his era coming back for one more scene at the end of it all.

Now that would have been good! But how would Eccleston know his future self would need help? Oh, I forgot, this is RTD and we have to leave any sense of "sense" at the door.

 

[TimmyWl]

It was good. I did like the small bit about the two people who voted against the Lord President being Weeping Angels. I had to watch that scene two times. Overall it was dramatic and there were some slow parts. I think it made up for the lack of quality in the first part.

I did like the change of music when the 11th Doctor/Matt Smith took over. The regeneration was a bit different.