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Hmm, I wonder if Wilf has an old pocket watch with strange patterns inscribed on the case?
About the woman: I said earlier I thought she was the Watcher, someoen else said Romana.
Know what I mean to say about the Master superpower thing.
I have a theory that Time Lords are actually some kind of energy being that requires a material form. Hence the need to regenerate when the material body is too damaged. Hence the massive rush of energy during regeneration. The Master's (energy) body is "torn open", and the energy is seeping out. Something like that.
I hope we never go back to the "let me play random notes on my bontempi organ" school of music that used to be the norm on the show.
I really love Murray's work on the show but I, too, felt that at times the soundtrack was off. Maybe because there was a lot of repetition of earlier pieces, which I know well, so it stuck out more to me and was kind of distracting. But that was only in some places. Overall, it was ok.
I hope we're getting someone as good on the new series.
I really love Murray's work on the show but I, too, felt that at times the soundtrack was off. Maybe because there was a lot of repetition of earlier pieces, which I know well, so it stuck out more to me and was kind of distracting. But that was only in some places. Overall, it was ok.
I hope we're getting someone as good on the new series.
The major problem with Gold's scoring is that he wasn't composing for the episodes. He was writing pieces and movements that were then chopped in the editing room to match the episode, which is why certain passages are used repeatedly and edited brutally. If Gold had been on-site, in the editing room, able to spot his music to the episode, it would have been a vast improvement to the series' sonic texture.
I did. I am very concerned as to what will happen to her. I think it's unlikely she'll be killed off, so will she become kind of Time Lord and join up with Dalton's crew (assuming they don't get sent back where they came from)? Where are the Time Lords anyway - out of sync with the rest of time? Did Gallifrey go with them or is it just a surviving council? I'm gonna be a dissenting voice and say if the Time Lords are coming back, they should stay back. They can be used sparingly, if ever, and it would be more satisfying to me than a 75 minute lease of pointless life.
Oh yeah - how can the Doctor put the TARDIS out of sync with the rest of time anyway? If he can do that, why was breaking into the Medusa Cascade, also out of sync by one second, such a problem?
Oh yeah - how can the Doctor put the TARDIS out of sync with the rest of time anyway? If he can do that, why was breaking into the Medusa Cascade, also out of sync by one second, such a problem?
Oh yeah - how can the Doctor put the TARDIS out of sync with the rest of time anyway? If he can do that, why was breaking into the Medusa Cascade, also out of sync by one second, such a problem?
Soory about that I meant to go back and add it but it would not let me edit my post ( Dam time limits!!!!!!!!!!!) Maybe if a mod here wants to add one they can. I will be on bbc america tonight so there will be much more people coming to this thread late.
- Notice the bus Wilf was on said 'Sparrow Lane' and the women Wilf was talking to on the bus was named Sally. LOL
- Wilf could be a humanized timelord and the woman could be a memory of someone from his Timelord life trying to break through and warn him. BTW, I saw this in a youtube comment: Wilfred Mott= Time Lord FTW . Since my name is Tom and the reverse spelling is Mot I always think, anagram when I see it used anywhere . LOL
- If Wilf was a Timelord Donna would still be human since Wilf's is biologicly human, however notice that Donna did not turn into a Master clone so she has some timelord DNA in here either from Wilf (if the above notion is true) or from the Meta Crisis (most likly).
- The presence of the 2 green aliens seems to be only added to give the Doctor two more allies besides Wilf and Donna that have not been transformed.
- Notice the Master talks about how he and the Doctor would run around in the fields of his father's estate when they were kids. Not sure if there was a reason for that beyond trying to prove the Master and the Doctor are not that same person.
The last scene with the timelords look like something pulled from the Star Wars prequals with the president standing on a (floating?) platform in a multi-level of chamber with timelords around, reminds me of the Star Wars Senate chamber. BTW, whey are the 2 women behind him covering their eyes?
I have some other observations about the spoiler clip for part 2 on Youtube but I wont post it here.
- Notice the Master talks about how he and the Doctor would run around in the fields of his father's estate when they were kids. Not sure if there was a reason for that beyond trying to prove the Master and the Doctor are not that same person.
- Notice the Master talks about how he and the Doctor would run around in the fields of his father's estate when they were kids. Not sure if there was a reason for that beyond trying to prove the Master and the Doctor are not that same person.
Wow, I can't believe what I just saw. And no, I don't mean the ending. That I expected (and hoped for!).
I can't believe I saw The Master leaping around like a super frog, shooting bolts of lightning out of his hands, his body shift out of phase (actually I don't mind that part so much in the context of him starving for energy), and most of all, The Master Race. What. The. FUCK?
Seriously, I had hoped this was two-parter was going to be more about people having bad dreams and it progressed to The Doctor having his own nightmares (which would have led to the cameos of countless people). Instead, we got this utter rubbish where very little happened. And the Obama stuff was stupid and pointless. Is it too much to hope that the first episode was just one big nightmare?
The only good parts of this episode were Wilf (duh), the mysterious Woman (as she is credited in this episode), and the sudden reveal that the Time Lords have returned. However, the latter feels a bit disconnected despite the cheesy narration from Dalton.
Usually, Davies' part one series finales are mostly good followed by rubbish (with the exception of Journey's End, in my opinion) but here Part One is mostly rubbish. I can only hope Part Two is much better.
On the ressurection scene; the mechanics didn't really bother me. His essence or mind or whatever is in the ring but you need gooey organic things and the like to actually build a body. So I can buy that the potions were organic protein compounds or whatever pseudo-science mumbo jumbo that would be used to constructed his body, as far as Who goes that's not really all that out there. The problem was the presentation. The dialog was horrible (and I usually consider that to be RTD's saving grace, so I don't know what went wrong) and the motivations and performances were just silly.
What really is bothering me the most about all this is the 10th Doctor is with out a doubt my favorite and while I'm still looking forward to the 11th, I wanted to see the 10th get a proper send off. And things just ain't looking good for that. I think the biggest problem is trying to always one-up their previous spectacles... I would have been perfectly happy with a smaller, personal story. Or even just a spectacle of similar magnitude to what we've previously seen. Honestly it didn't matter much to me as long as it's well written, and this was not well written. It's silly to say that this has ruined Who forever or anything like that... but I definitely consider it a low point.
Hopefully part 2 will somehow be able to make up for this, but I can't say I'm particularly optimistic at this point. Ah well, there's always next series!
I actually have a horrible theory about how this is going to get resolved. I also have a sinking feeling that this will happen.
The Doctor's body will get shot up to fuck, so badly that it's beyond the state of regeneration. The Doctor will put all his regeneration energy into a dying Donna, transferring himself into her, and then she'll regenerate into 11.
RTD will think this is brilliant, because it mirrors the Master taking over humanity's bodies, and he gets to sort of kill off the Doctor at the end of his reign. It will also solve the regeneration limit, and he'll be very proud of himself and look smug on Confidential. Everybody else will cry.
You know with all this talk of "rebooting" the timeline and 10 talking about his death, it's possible (though I will say unlikely) that they might "reboot" the doctor and the next actor isn't the 11th Doctor but the 1st Doctor in a new timeline.
I'm only 20 minutes into it, and it looks promising for the most part, but, I've got to say...
I have never, ever said this before about modern Doctor Who. Even at its goofiest or lamest, I could usually go with it long enough to just enjoy the episode.
But when they started spouting off about "the Secret Books of Saxon?" And then Lucy started spouting off about how she'd been preparing for his return, too?
I just sat there, with my mouth agape, and shouted at the screen:
And like Starkers, I can't believe I'm about to defend Davies to you. For the most part, I didn't mind that scene because it felt a bit like Classic Who, even if we never saw The Master get revived after being left in terrible positions (falling into the Eye of Harmony, being incinerated, etc.). I'll agree that some of the dialogue was pretty corny, but that stuff pales in comparison to my bigger complaints about thsi episode.
Anyone else think that Murrary's music was terrific again...especially at the end with the Time Lord reveal. I am hoping that we'll get a specials soundtrack released next year. Hopefully in the first half of the year.
I was mostly disappointed but because it felt repetitive. It was like "Guess the theme!" That's the Donna theme! That's The Master's theme! And that's The Doctor's theme! I don't think I heard a single piece of new music throughout the whole episode.
Normally, Gold is hit and miss for me. Some of his music is utterly brilliant, particular the score for the second half of series 4, but other parts are so loud and bombastic that it makes John Williams sound quiet as a mouse.
For those of you who don't like the whole Master-has-superpowers thing - is it better or worse than when he could turn into a ghostly snake that possessed people? Because that, for me, was 100x more abysmal than anything he could do in The End of Time and helps me accept the powers he has now. Not to mention the clarity of the botched resurrection and how he's burning up his lifeforce.
- Notice the Master talks about how he and the Doctor would run around in the fields of his father's estate when they were kids. Not sure if there was a reason for that beyond trying to prove the Master and the Doctor are not that same person.
This was one of the few non-Wilf moments that I really enjoyed. And to me, this confirmed that The Doctor and The Master really aren't brothers (because he would have said "at Father's" or "at our father's")!
The problem was the presentation. The dialog was horrible (and I usually consider that to be RTD's saving grace, so I don't know what went wrong) and the motivations and performances were just silly.
i agree with that a lot - it just seemed... off. Lucy (or whatever the wife is called) didn't need to be there, the cult of Saxon didn't need to be there, the whole set up ws just... off. It didn't work all that much for me.
- Notice the Master talks about how he and the Doctor would run around in the fields of his father's estate when they were kids. Not sure if there was a reason for that beyond trying to prove the Master and the Doctor are not that same person.
This was one of the few non-Wilf moments that I really enjoyed. And to me, this confirmed that The Doctor and The Master really aren't brothers (because he would have said "at Father's" or "at our father's")!
I really enjoyed that too - bt I do like the old comic book cliche of the villian and the hero being childhood friends.
It just confirmed the idea that they were more than advesaries, that their lives were always tied together in some way. Which makes a nice kind of sense for them in the more emotional era of Who.
