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The end of Kurn (brainwashing)

So Mog's father or ancestor was also named Mog? I'm still confused about it.

Mogh*, but yes I suspect that's the case. Maybe not his father since I think the house should be older, but definitely an ancestor. Quite probably multiple ancestors even - like how the British royals keep reusing the names William, Henry, Edward and George.
 
It's certainly possible. We know there was a Colonel Worf in TUC.

Yes, the grandfather of Worf from TNG. So Colonel Worf would be the father of Mogh.

In any case, the leader of a Klingon House can change its name to whatever he wants. So either there was a Mogh from long ago who the House was named after, or TNG Worf maintained it to honor his father.
 
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A head of a house can change its name? Was that established somewhere? It seems like that would dishonor his ancestors.
 
A head of a house can change its name? Was that established somewhere? It seems like that would dishonor his ancestors.

Someday Worf could become the head of the house of Martok even though none of Martok's ancestors are his.
 
A head of a house can change its name? Was that established somewhere?

Technically, no. The only thing we have to go on is a comment by Ronald D. Moore which suggested that Worf kept the name "House of Mogh" to honor his father. And to be honest, it's fairly obvious that's what he did.

In any case, since RDM was involved in making the show(s), I'm prepared to take his word for it. :shrug:
 
Mogh must have just been the name of the house and also the name of Worf's dad.

Or perhaps if Worf had some children, and took his seat on the high council, and had an army to command, and earned some glory, then perhaps it would be called "The house of Worf."
 
I think this was one of the things DS9 shouldn't have done, start playing around with TNG stories.

Now if someone watches DS9 first and TNG later, that person would know what kind of future Kurn has. When watching through TNG from 'Sins of the Father' to 'Redemption' it's lame to know what kind of future DS9 writers had for Kurn.
 
Yeah...there's a lot of things that DS9 could spoiler because it's predominantly set after TNG. If you don't want spoilers...watch the earlier show first?
 
After rewatching "Sons of Mogh" recently, I was taken aback by the solution implemented by Bashir, Worf and everyone to handle Kurn's depression and desperation after losing his honor.

Without Kurn's consent, they took away virtually his entire memory, leaving him absolutely clueless and dependent on the deceptions of others regarding who he was/is. How is it that a Starfleet doctor knowingly performed this operation, and with the approval of Sisko? Was it completely off-the-books?

To me, it was a sorry end for a great character that we first got to know in TNG. In the TNG episode "Ethics," Worf was similarly despairing over his life, and wanted his life to end. Instead, with full knowledge of his situation, he found a reason to live and move forward - as Worf. In contrast, Kurn walked away from his operation a mere shell of his former self, with no chance of making the same progress as Kurn.

As demonstrated in "Ethics," the answer to depression & despair is not to rob a person of their identity, but rather to help them through it. After Kurn's operation, Worf basically washed his hands of the matter and cut his brother out of his life forever. This was a solution that was over-the-top and without the patient's consent. And there's no reason to think that Kurn wouldn't become depressed again AS A RESULT of having no memory of his past. It would be incredibly unsettling to wake up with no knowledge of who you are, and there's no predicting where things would go from there.

Would anyone want to be left clueless and dependent on the deceptions of others when we faced a severe crisis, or would we want people to stick by us through it all? I dealt with severe depression myself years ago, and I'm grateful for the people who stuck by me, and the opportunity to continue growing through adversity. That said, I would welcome other perspectives on this episode, because depression is a widespread and relevant issue, along with identity.
I was hoping another story will resurface where the truth will eventually come when Kurn would return to DS9 to find out why he can't seem to remember anything prior lying in the infirmary. I think he would end up being depressed because he can't figure out who he was and is. Viewers of all ages can relate to Kurn and what he's going through and I would've like the battle of depression be explored and visualize support for that person's condition.
 
I was hoping another story will resurface where the truth will eventually come when Kurn would return to DS9 to find out why he can't seem to remember anything prior lying in the infirmary. I think he would end up being depressed because he can't figure out who he was and is. Viewers of all ages can relate to Kurn and what he's going through and I would've like the battle of depression be explored and visualize support for that person's condition.
Klingons don't get depressed. They go naked into the mountains and kill a targ with their bare hands, eat it's heart, and make a shirt from its hide.
That is the Klinngon way.
 
Klingons don't get depressed. They go naked into the mountains and kill a targ with their bare hands, eat it's heart, and make a shirt from its hide.
That is the Klinngon way.
LOL!!!

Good point. Here's something, is it possible a Klingon who lost his identity could lose his or her way as a Klingon? What would that mean for that person and the Klingons around him or her?
 
I don't see how Klingons wouldn't get depressed. All sentient beings do, at some point. And we have seen Klingons experience extreme sadness, such as Worf when K'Ehleyr and Jadzia died. (I think Jadzia's death was worse on him, though, since they were actually married and very much in love.)

How they deal with it, though, is a different issue. They don't just sit around and mope, they treat it as an enemy and deal with it accordingly. IIRC, that's why Kurn joined the Bajoran Militia - not only were they the only ones who would take him, he was hoping for a chance to die in the line of duty.
 
Yes, but Kurn's goal was to be killed and this act could've put fellow Bajoran security officers in lethal danger. This was another element where the storytellers lost an opportunity to flesh out a character with depression and the help he desperately needed.
 
It would have been better if he was manipulative and concealed the fact that the information being used to cure Torres was originating from Cardassian experimentation?

That said, and I say this as a Jew...I obviously think it sucks what the Nazis did, but if they found the Cure for Cancer, I wouldn't insist on burying it solely because of the source, and I think it's terrible to think that accepting ill-gotten gains in this manner is equivalent to some sort of endorsement. It's called making the best of a horrible situation.

This is something that a certain literary sci-fi organization should've thought of before they changed the name of their award simply based on a recent complaint.
 
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That's the truest form of brainwashing - "washing" the slate completely clean so a false identity can be imposed on that person by others.

That's exactly what's done on Babylon 5 to serial killers and those who commit homicide (the 'death' of personality) and that's something I said could and should've happened to Khan Noonien Singh. It's also done to crinimals who are sentenced to the Phantom Zone in the movie Man of Steel.
 
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