Spoilers The Dr. Agnes Jurati Thread

[Kpnuts]

She was great early on, then she went all PTSD, having that awkward angsty face, throwing up twice in one episode and crying constantly and was unbearable, then she became somewhat fun again, then in the last episode she did that crying thing again.

She does remind me of Tilly, just more of an actual person who could exist.

 

[Seven of Five]

I've loved Alison Pill as Jurati.

I didn't realise she was in Scott Pilgrim, I've seen that film so many times.

 

[VOODOOXI]

I like Alison Pill’s performance, but shouldn’t Jurati face justice? How could they allow her to simply carry on without consequences?

 

[PaddyRyan1706]

It is a pretty huge plot hole that her murdering Bruce Maddox was completely ignored.

 

[VOODOOXI]

It is a pretty huge plot hole that her murdering Bruce Maddox was completely ignored.

Yeah, as it stands it’s a pretty massive plot hole. Hopefully there will be some kind of explanation next season. I can’t see the Picard that we’ve all known for decades being ok with Jurati not facing justice.

 

[AntonyF]

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I found her utterly fascinating, and my favourite character probably.

Sit Patrick is... Sir Patrick. I've seen him live twice on stage too. But even he I felt was being upstaged a bit!

It was her that I found myself looking forward to seeing. She can take you on a journey in 5 minutes with just her eyes. A fantastic actress.

 

[NCC-73515]

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and several other interesting people like Rusty Schweickart of Apollo 9 and the BBT scientist

 

[Mondragon]

I like Agnes (although like others I instantly got the Tilly 2.0 vibe, like there is some current show-runner, writer or casting on staff who really needs to see herself on Trek, and make this character-type happen).


Despite that, Alison Pill made this character interesting, and her own. And I really liked the potential.
.....Then the Murder happened!

But the complete walk back isn't working.
They are telling me this mind-meld vision was so horrible, all consuming and completley overwhelming and powerful it lead her to Murder!, (someone who's work and vision she absolutely admired, and who she loved (and baked cookies with) no less).
I'll buy this all consuming vision drove her to that horrible deed!
But then after that, you can't have her just be like; ...but now I'm ok .

What!?

She can't suddenly be ok.
If I'm to believe this all consuming vision drove her insane enough to do that, then she has to be consumed, wrecked, tortured, beyond belief agony, driven bat-shit insane, where she really believed what she was doing was right.

And if she believed that, there can't be an easy ... that was weird, but i'm ok now, walk back from that vision.

So either the vision was all consuming powerful driving her insane, and she's long term effected, to the core of her being.
Or it was never that all consuming, and she's just easily swayed to murderer.

Which is it.?
She can't just be oh I'm fine now, ...after eating cake.

And even worse, everyone is just ok with it.

 

[Lord Garth]

They have to explain it as Oh's mind-meld drove Jurati temporarily insane. That the mind-meld did something to her to make her act on command. If it wasn't really her, if it was Oh manipulating her, I wouldn't be thrilled with how they dealt with it, but I could live with it as a compromise. That they at least gave an explanation. Even if it was a sci-fi one. Otherwise, this is the biggest plot hole in Picard. It's not a minor nitpicky one. They glossed over something serious.

Other than that one thing, I like the character. You have to have that one "normal" person.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The director of the CIA is allowed to order their agents to eliminate threats.

The director of Starfleet Security probably has similar abilities.

 

[Kelso]

A Romulan spy, who had become the head of Starfleet Security, mind melded an ancient apocalyptic message that breaks organic minds into her brain.

No jury in the galaxy will convict her.

Especially if she starts face-acting at them.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

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and several other interesting people like Rusty Schweickart of Apollo 9 and the BBT scientist

In an Astroboy sweatshirt no less.

 

[MrPointy]

If Scotty can get away murdering 4 prostitutes under the influence of a space energy being, Jurati can get away with murdering at least 1 man under the influence of a mind meld.

 

[Mondragon]

 

[DEWLine]

If Scotty can get away murdering 4 prostitutes under the influence of a space energy being, Jurati can get away with murdering at least 1 man under the influence of a mind meld.

There is that precedent. And probably hundreds of other cases across the Orion Arm that we don't know of.

 

[DEWLine]

Think about it. Redjac, that creature from "Day of the Dove" that lived on hate, Organian possession...

 

[Makarov]

Picard murdered himself in Time Squared and he did it to save the ship, here Jurati had all of organic life on the line. Much higher stakes

They should do a Times Cubed where a third Picard shows up and convince the 1st Picard that killing the 2nd Picard was a failure of imagination

 

[Turtletrekker]

Picard murdered himself in Time Squared and he did it to save the ship, here Jurati had all of organic life on the line. Much higher stakes

They should do a Times Cubed where a third Picard shows up and convince the 1st Picard that killing the 2nd Picard was a failure of imagination

And, we have a winner! We can close down the internet for the day.

 

[Random_Spock]

Me and my family find her the weakest link in the series, honestly.

After what she did to Maddox especially, even with the influence of the meld, they're trying to hard to force a redemption on her that doesn't feel earned or true.

Same here and at times she over acts. By the end of the season though, she improved and I didn't mind her as much.

 

[danielshock]

Love her! love her performance! I do agree that there should be an onscreen reckoning of Maddox's murder. I don't think she should face legal consequences...but she should face a crisis of conscience for sure...(I realize that she has somewhat...but it should be ongoing for awhile. It shouldn't be easy for a good person to shrug that off.)