The Die Was Cast

[BlackcoatCowboy]

Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek.

It became a wildfire after cancellation.

Gene Roddenberry brought Star Trek back again.

Gene Roddenberry, and Harve Bennett, brought it back again.

However, Nicholas Meyer gave it its look, feel, sound, and epic. He didnt break the mold but rather brought out its edges, features, and sculpt. He didnt film it as a Trek movie but rather an adventure of Horatio Hornblower.

That epic look, feel, and sound continued forward into the other films and spinoff televised series.

JJ Abrams is supposed to be breaking the die and remolding it from scratch.

Out of all Trek movies, Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan was the most successful based not only on sales but also marketing and promotion. (NOTE: It did not have any toys produces off it at the time.)

Even LeVar Burton has doubts about this direction...

 

[JoeZhang]

Even LeVar Burton has doubts about this direction...

What direction? we know nothing at the moment.

 

[Michael]

Out of all Trek movies, Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan was the most successful based not only on sales but also marketing and promotion.

Huh, wasn't The Voyage Home the most successful movie?

Even LeVar Burton has doubts about this direction...

Who cares what LeVar Burton has to say about that?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

However, Nicholas Meyer gave it its look, feel, sound, and epic.

There's nothing "epic" about ST II - it's a good, low-budget movie.

Out of all Trek movies, Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan was the most successful based not only on sales but also marketing and promotion.

Nope. Several Trek movies have been more successful, among them the afore-noted "Voyage Home."

 

[STIntergalactic]

Even LeVar Burton has doubts about this direction...

Burton is just upset that Trek isn't moving in his direction (with another TNG film).

 

[The Wormhole]

Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek.

Gene Roddenberry, and Harve Bennett, brought it back again.

However, Nicholas Meyer gave it its look, feel, sound, and epic. He didnt break the mold but rather brought out its edges, features, and sculpt. He didnt film it as a Trek movie but rather an adventure of Horatio Hornblower.

You do know that Harve Bennett worked with Nicholas Meyer, not Roddenberry, right?

 

[Carpe Occasio]

Star Trek movies domestic box office grosses:


The Motion Picture - $82,258,456

The Wrath of Khan - $78,912,963

The Search for Spock - $76,471,046

The Voyage Home - $109,713,132

The Final Frontier - $52,210,049

The Undiscovered Country - $74,888,996

Generations - $75,671,125

First Contact - $92,027,888

Insurrection - $70,187,658

Nemesis - $43,254,409



Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was written by Harve Bennett, Jack B. Sowards, Samuel A. Peeples and Nicholas Meyer. It was produced by Harve Bennett, William F. Phillips and Robert Sallin. It was directed by Nicholas Meyer.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was written by Gene Roddenberry (credit for creating Star Trek)

That doesn't get him a writing credit.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was written by Gene Roddenberry (credit for creating Star Trek)

That doesn't get him a writing credit.

IMDB lists him as a writer for TWOF.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Here's a IMBD page describing writing credits as outlined by the WGA:

http://www.imdb.com/partners/wga

Although I still can't tell if the "creator of characters" gets a writing credit. It looks like they do not.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

IMDB lists him as a writer for TWOF.

Which actually has nothing to do with anything, in terms of how and why people are actually credited as writers in films and television. IMDB is...IMDB. They make wikipedia look like a standard-bearer of accuracy.

Had anyone disputed the actual writing credits on TWOK it would have been settled by WGA arbitration. Roddenberry would not have been a participant in that process in any event, since he did no writing on TWOK and would have had no drafts to have submitted.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

Give it a rest about who was a writer on TWOK! In my post I was pointing out that TVH was the biggest money maker and that Harve Bennett worked with Nicholas Meyer. I'll even go back and edit Roddenberry out. Happy now?

 

[BlackcoatCowboy]

STII was deemed the most successful (by some) due to its low advertising and marketing campaign.

Gene Roddenberry has 'writing credits' for creating characters' catch phrases.

After three months of watching all Star Trek TOS shows on a projector, Harve Bennett wrote the first draft (NOV80) and second draft (APR81, prior to writer's strike).

Samual A Peeples wrote the next draft (June-ish81).

Nicholas Meyer took all the drafts, combined them, edited them, and created the final draft.

Nicholas Meyer was responsible for bringing the military terms and ranks to Trek, changed the uniforms, changed the bridge and controls, brought in CGI, added nautical terms, pumped up the soundtrack, and other things.

Yes, LeVar Burton is worried about his career but he thinks that the TNG movie would do much better.

IMDB is not always correct and accurate. (NOTE: check this link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/fullcredits#cast) and see how many times they believe BALOK was in TOS.)

Did anyone actually watch the documentaries that came with the Trek DVDs? Almost all of this information is there and whats not there is in i-cyclopedias.

Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek.

It became a wildfire after cancellation.

Gene Roddenberry brought Star Trek back again.

Gene Roddenberry, and Harve Bennett, brought it back again.

However, Nicholas Meyer gave it its look, feel, sound, and epic. He didnt break the mold but rather brought out its edges, features, and sculpt. He didnt film it as a Trek movie but rather an adventure of Horatio Hornblower.

That epic look, feel, and sound continued forward into the other films and spinoff televised series.

JJ Abrams is supposed to be breaking the die and remolding it from scratch.

Out of all Trek movies, Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan was the most successful based not only on sales but also marketing and promotion. (NOTE: It did not have any toys produces off it at the time.)

Even LeVar Burton has doubts about this direction...

 

[JoeZhang]

STII was deemed the most successful (by some) due to its low advertising and marketing campaign.

They are simply wrong, it wasn't.

Yes, LeVar Burton is worried about his career but he thinks that the TNG movie would do much better.

The last TNG film was critically panned and bombed - that's not a recipe for reviving a dying franchise - "Star Trek 12: same old shit".

Nicholas Meyer was responsible for bringing the military terms and ranks to Trek

What on earth are you talking about? have you ever seen an episode of Star Trek?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

No idea.

 

[Michael]

Gene Roddenberry has 'writing credits' for creating characters' catch phrases.

Which one's?

IMDB is not always correct and accurate. (NOTE: check this link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/fullcredits#cast) and see how many times they believe BALOK was in TOS.)

Yeah, Vic Perrin appeared five times on the Original Series. Did you actually read it?

 

[CaptJimboJones]

Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek.

It became a wildfire after cancellation.

Gene Roddenberry brought Star Trek back again.

Gene Roddenberry, and Harve Bennett, brought it back again.

However, Nicholas Meyer gave it its look, feel, sound, and epic. He didnt break the mold but rather brought out its edges, features, and sculpt. He didnt film it as a Trek movie but rather an adventure of Horatio Hornblower.

That epic look, feel, and sound continued forward into the other films and spinoff televised series.

JJ Abrams is supposed to be breaking the die and remolding it from scratch.

Out of all Trek movies, Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan was the most successful based not only on sales but also marketing and promotion. (NOTE: It did not have any toys produces off it at the time.)

Even LeVar Burton has doubts about this direction...

Uhhh, so what exactly is the point here? You don't like what you've heard about Trek XI? How about waiting until you see the film and then deciding whether you like it or not.

 

[JoeZhang]

I thought that the point was - people can be disappointed in films they know nothing about based on shows they watched through other people's windows with the sound down and someone standing in front of the screen, so you kinda get what it's about but aren't quite sure and blimey it's tea time so I'll miss the end of this one,oh well, I'm sure it will be on again, that show with the guy with the big ears.

Wasn't that the point? Because I'm not sure otherwise, how you can watch any of TOS or TMP and then claim military ranks and terms were introduced in TWOK.

 

[Sector 7]

Star Trek movies domestic box office grosses:


The Motion Picture - $82,258,456

The Wrath of Khan - $78,912,963

The Search for Spock - $76,471,046

The Voyage Home - $109,713,132

The Final Frontier - $52,210,049

The Undiscovered Country - $74,888,996

Generations - $75,671,125

First Contact - $92,027,888

Insurrection - $70,187,658

Nemesis - $43,254,409



Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was written by Harve Bennett, Jack B. Sowards, Samuel A. Peeples and Nicholas Meyer. It was produced by Harve Bennett, William F. Phillips and Robert Sallin. It was directed by Nicholas Meyer.

Dammit! How many times do I have to tell you? Stop letting facts get in the way of the OP's inane rantings!

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Nicholas Meyer was responsible for bringing the military terms and ranks to Trek

What on earth are you talking about? have you ever seen an episode of Star Trek?

Meyer basically spent two-weeks reassembling Star Trek II after a brainstorming session, and combining ideas from other drafts.

He did not come up with all of the Navy tradition, but he really brought it up a notch, amking it (as he says his wife described it) "nautical but nice".

He did this, using Horblower as the mould, because that's the only way he could make the movie.

He didn't understand spaceships or sci-fi, but he DID understand Captain Hornblower and the Navy.

That's why he had the uniforms more militaristic (with the monstor maroons and more defined rank symbols, etc.), and had more naval references, like the "rolling out the guns" sequence as the Enterprise heads for the Mutara Nebula (Torpedo being lowered and the crates being lifted, the crew running around preparing for battle), and the Botswain's Whistle as Kirk and Spock board the Enterprise in the Torpedo Room.

This is why James Horner's score sound very much like a seafaring adventure rather than sounding like Star Wars.

He also treated the Nebula battle like a submarine cat-and-mouse game, with two silent hunters trying to find each other in the depths of the ocean.

Even some of the sounds are like submarine sonar pings.

Star Trek II was a critical and fan success more than Star Trek TMP, though TMP is the more epic movie.