You make a strong case, and while I respectfully disagree on that point, I think we're getting into dead horse territory here. ... As I said before, some people think the LoS makes a lick of sense, and others, myself included, don't. Even if we do accept their basic premise, however, that mass murder is a coherent if misguided tool to promote justice and reduce suffering, is that agenda really any more compelling or intellectually stimulating than Sebastian Shaw's, or Whiplash's? I don't think so, but a movie can have one-dimensional villains and still be deep and sophisticated. The Nazis in Casablanca, after all, didn't have any depth to speak of. Question is, then, is there anything really meaty going on elsewhere in TDKR, or is it all just pomp and atmosphere?