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The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station

Re: Third Nolan Batman film title announced!

We don't know whether Nolan will be following the premise of Knightfall, but it's interesting that this story is called The Dark Knight Rises, in contrast to that title, especially with Bane in the mix.

The story is actually quite clear. Bane will trip Batman, who will fall over his cape, and then... just when you thought all hope was lost, when evil had won... Batman... will... rise.
 
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Eh, Drug pusher doesn't interest me so much. Mad man with an obsession for hunting down, discovering and finally replacing Batman is more my cup. Batman needs a threat. A character of equel strenght of mind and body will be different to past villains.
A villian of no real purpose isn't Nolan's style.
He doesn't do dumb plots that don't develope into the over all bigger picture. Ra's, Scarecrow & Joker were all bigger threats to Gotham before they were threats to Batman.
Nolan's Batman is about Batman's connection to protecting his parents dream, Gotham City. Too get to Batman, you have to go attack Gotham. Bane will be something more than an obsessed lunatic wanting to replace Batman.
But what kind of purpose does a drug king serve? We've already dealt with mobs in 2 movies. The Joker and Ras had greater ideals than drugs or money. Bane has to be above that or else it's dealing with the usual scum bags of the city. You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling.

I believe the point of that argument actually was about dreaming bigger. One very annoying thing about superhero stories is the tired "villain obsessed with hero" cliche. The original point was that Batman was somewhat incidental to certainly Ra's plans, and Joker was also out to create city-wide chaos - they were after destroying Gotham, which brought them into conflict with Batman. (Though I suppose it's arguable that Joker was after destroying Gotham for the express purpose of being in conflict with Batman.)

So the idea that Bane will likewise be after the destruction of the city is certainly feasible, and is, in fact, bigger than him just being interested in destroying Batman.

Given the "Hardy is not the main villain" rumors and the possibility of second female lead - I still think of Talia, seeking to complete her father's work (most likely at his behest since I'm pretty convinced Ra's is not dead in the Nolan-verse), using Bane. It might be somewhat more personal at this point - Ra's and Talia both (or just her on the off chance that Nolan skips the cardinal comic rule, no body, no death) out for Bruce's blood and his beloved city for the humiliation he visited upon Ra's and the thwarting of the original League of Shadows goal of carrying out their centuries-long mission of bringing balance back to society. This gives us a villain still seeking to wipe out Gotham (perhaps some version of the Legacy storyline which includes Ra's, Talia, Bane and Henri Ducard) but with a very intimate conflict at its center.

Catwoman seems somewhat superfluous to this set up, but if they do a Bruce Wayne/ Selina Kyle romance, she could have more relevance.

Pure speculation of course, but I have long suspected Nolan would spring a surprise reveal of the seemingly immortal Ra's return. Should please the long-time Ra's fans, since it would cement him as the Batman's ultimate nemesis in the Nolan-verse.
 
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^ Well, I think it would be pretty clear to anyone who has read the comic books, regardless of whether or not they read Nolan's remarks.
I have.
It wasn't, so I asked.

Not everyone remembers details of comics they read over 15 years ago.;)


Well, then, I'll rephrase.

It would be pretty clear to anyone with a clear knowledge or recollection of the comics?

Better? :p
 
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^ Well, I think it would be pretty clear to anyone who has read the comic books, regardless of whether or not they read Nolan's remarks.
I have.
It wasn't, so I asked.

Not everyone remembers details of comics they read over 15 years ago.;)


Well, then, I'll rephrase.

It would be pretty clear to anyone with a clear knowledge or recollection of the comics?

Better? :p
No but fair. :lol:
 
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A villian of no real purpose isn't Nolan's style.
He doesn't do dumb plots that don't develope into the over all bigger picture. Ra's, Scarecrow & Joker were all bigger threats to Gotham before they were threats to Batman.
Nolan's Batman is about Batman's connection to protecting his parents dream, Gotham City. Too get to Batman, you have to go attack Gotham. Bane will be something more than an obsessed lunatic wanting to replace Batman.
But what kind of purpose does a drug king serve? We've already dealt with mobs in 2 movies. The Joker and Ras had greater ideals than drugs or money. Bane has to be above that or else it's dealing with the usual scum bags of the city. You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling.

I believe the point of that argument actually was about dreaming bigger. One very annoying thing about superhero stories is the tired "villain obsessed with hero" cliche. The original point was that Batman was somewhat incidental to certainly Ra's plans, and Joker was also out to create city-wide chaos - they were after destroying Gotham, which brought them into conflict with Batman. (Though I suppose it's arguable that Joker was after destroying Gotham for the express purpose of being in conflict with Batman.)

So the idea that Bane will likewise be after the destruction of the city is certainly feasible, and is, in fact, bigger than him just being interested in destroying Batman.

Given the "Hardy is not the main villain" rumors and the possibility of second female lead - I still think of Talia, seeking to complete her father's work (most likely at his behest since I'm pretty convinced Ra's is not dead in the Nolan-verse), using Bane. It might be somewhat more personal at this point - Ra's and Talia both (or just her on the off chance that Nolan skips the cardinal comic rule, no body, no death) out for Bruce's blood and his beloved city for the humiliation he visited upon Ra's and the thwarting of the original League of Shadows goal of carrying out their centuries-long mission of bringing balance back to society. This gives us a villain still seeking to wipe out Gotham (perhaps some version of the Legacy storyline which includes Ra's, Talia, Bane and Henri Ducard) but with a very intimate conflict at its center.

Catwoman seems somewhat superfluous to this set up, but if they do a Bruce Wayne/ Selina Kyle romance, she could have more relevance.

Pure speculation of course, but I have long suspected Nolan would spring a surprise reveal of the seemingly immortal Ra's return. Should please the long-time Ra's fans, since it would cement him as the Batman's ultimate nemesis in the Nolan-verse.
Yes, thank you very much.
All of this.
 
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io9 has a piece about Bane's history in the comics, and it suggests there's a lot more substance to the character than just a big thug in a luchador mask:

http://io9.com/5738053/why-is-this-guy-youve-never-heard-of-christopher-nolans-latest-batman-villain

The thing that strikes me is that, for a time, Bane was Ra's al-Ghul's chosen successor (a role formerly offered to Batman). Perhaps that's the role in which Nolan plans to use him, thus tying the third film into the first.
 
Re: Third Nolan Batman film title announced!

io9 has a piece about Bane's history in the comics, and it suggests there's a lot more substance to the character than just a big thug in a luchador mask:

http://io9.com/5738053/why-is-this-guy-youve-never-heard-of-christopher-nolans-latest-batman-villain

The thing that strikes me is that, for a time, Bane was Ra's al-Ghul's chosen successor (a role formerly offered to Batman). Perhaps that's the role in which Nolan plans to use him, thus tying the third film into the first.
This should probably be posted 2-3 other places I post.
Seems too many ONLY recall his use of the venom drug and haven't followed his character development since. Then there are those whose only exposure is a few cartoons and his horrid portrayal in Batman&Robin. Thusly thinking he is ONLY a thug villain and they shout out in horror over his inclusion.
 
Re: Third Nolan Batman film title announced!

io9 has a piece about Bane's history in the comics, and it suggests there's a lot more substance to the character than just a big thug in a luchador mask:

http://io9.com/5738053/why-is-this-guy-youve-never-heard-of-christopher-nolans-latest-batman-villain

The thing that strikes me is that, for a time, Bane was Ra's al-Ghul's chosen successor (a role formerly offered to Batman). Perhaps that's the role in which Nolan plans to use him, thus tying the third film into the first.

Now there's a rather personal connection to Bruce Wayne in that article:

Finally, after a whole bunch more shaggy-doggery, Bane thinks he's tracked down who his real father was: Thomas Wayne, Bruce Wayne's dad. Which would make Bane and Bruce half-brothers. Awesome! This seems plausible enough, he manages to convince Bruce of it, and Bruce lets Bane stay at Wayne Manor and become Batman's new sidekick for a while. They fight crime together, as the new Dynamic Duo.

I think that would be kinda interesting. Not the sidekick part, but the "one brother good, one brother bad" dynamic. Together with the connection to Ra's, you have Bane fighting crime in Gotham with very, very, very brutal methods, and Bruce fighting crime always trying to stay on the good side.
 
Re: Third Nolan Batman film title announced!

We don't know whether Nolan will be following the premise of Knightfall, but it's interesting that this story is called The Dark Knight Rises, in contrast to that title, especially with Bane in the mix.

The story is actually quite clear. Bane will trip Batman, who will fall over his cape, and then... just when you thought all hope was lost, when evil had won... Batman... will... rise.
Hmm. I thought the rising had to do with Catwoman...so to speak... :mallory:
 
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@Christopher...yeah I already touched on Bane's short role as Ra's successor and a possible suitor for Talia a couple of pages ago. I believe this was from a Legends of the Dark Knight issue that featured their rematch of which Bruce won...much to Talia's delight. Ra's even revealed that Bane was simply a test, one in which the Detective passed to his satisfaction and he berates the brute after the loss. I think Talia even says "I was never in love with you" in the issue too just to put more salt on his wounds. It was an interesting issue. The point is that Nolan obviously is interested in Bane on multiple levels and thinks he can make him work in his movie. If one is able to get passed the obvious surface stuff of Bane, one can see the possibilities.
 
Re: Third Nolan Batman film title announced!

We don't know whether Nolan will be following the premise of Knightfall, but it's interesting that this story is called The Dark Knight Rises, in contrast to that title, especially with Bane in the mix.

The story is actually quite clear. Bane will trip Batman, who will fall over his cape, and then... just when you thought all hope was lost, when evil had won... Batman... will... rise.
Hmm. I thought the rising had to do with Catwoman...so to speak... :mallory:

He he he, I'm sure she could coil her tail around him

Wait a minute! That don't make no sense! Dammit! I can't write innuendos!!! :wah:
 
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Someone posted this on another board! :techman:
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So that's... Ms. Hathaway's face stuck onto an Adam Hughes Catwoman portrait? It's hardly an accurate representation of Ms. Hathaway's proportions, judging from her photos on IMDb. (And thank goodness. Catwoman shouldn't be busty. Catburglars are supposed to be able to sneak through narrow places. They should be lithe, compact, and flexible, built like a gymnast or dancer. And yes, I'm looking at you too, Black Cat.)
 
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I was wondering when someone would photoshop Anne's face to that Catwoman mug shot. And notice the numbers in the pic. ;)

Looks like a busty Winona Ryder.
She's about as busty as the real Winona.

Operating under the assumption that said reports are true, Selina/Catwoman is likely the 'love interest' for Bruce Wayne that Nolan and Co. were casting for, which means that we're still waiting on an announcement of the female villain mentioned in said reports (I'm personally hoping it's Talia, and that Nolan and Co. cast Kiera Knightley in the role).
Maybe Selina Kyle will turn out to be Talia. :p
 
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So that's... Ms. Hathaway's face stuck onto an Adam Hughes Catwoman portrait? It's hardly an accurate representation of Ms. Hathaway's proportions, judging from her photos on IMDb. (And thank goodness. Catwoman shouldn't be busty. Catburglars are supposed to be able to sneak through narrow places. They should be lithe, compact, and flexible, built like a gymnast or dancer. And yes, I'm looking at you too, Black Cat.)

Have you seen Hathaway's topless scene in "Brokeback Mountain"? She's actually quite busty.
 
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^She's had a number of naked scenes...the most recent in "Love and Other Drugs" and yes she's busty but not quite as busty as the aforementioned pic.
 
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