The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Agent Richard07, Jul 8, 2008.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    79.4%
  2. Above Average

    13.5%
  3. Average

    5.0%
  4. Below Average

    0.6%
  5. Poor

    1.5%
  1. Thespeckledkiwi

    Thespeckledkiwi Vice Admiral

    Actually I believe in Batman Begins, Barbara is the name of his daughter as well.
     
  2. firehawk12

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    I *loved* the OST. The fact that it was so subtle fit the tone of the movie so well.
     
  3. Bad Bishop

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    Trekker, there was a time when you acted so piously, voicing consternation at the irreverent use of the Lord's name. And now you make crude remarks like that. Tsk, tsk.
     
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  4. davejames

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    Well as someone who didn't care for Begins and is a lifelong admirer of the '89 movie..... I gotta say TDK was really damn good. The story was a huge improvement over the one in Begins (even though it did lose me a few times, lol), and of course Ledger's Joker is absolutely perfect (and yes, much better than Nicholson's hammy version).

    But still... while I agree with all the accolades, I'm a bit torn. As good as this movie is, this didn't really feel enough like a Batman movie to me. This was just a really good crime movie... with a few appearances by a guy in a batsuit. :D

    Maybe I'm just being childish, but I'll always prefer the more colorful superhero/comic book world of the Burton movies and BTAS-- where there was still something fantastic about Batman and his world (and his villains), even if he wasn't your traditional, super-powered superhero.

    As great an accomplishment as TDK is, I just think Nolan took the character a little too far from that comic book world, and what made me love Batman in the first place.
     
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  5. Sheep

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    Coming from someone who really doesn't like superhero movies due to the "paint by numbers" plots of 99% of them, this movie makes just about all previous superhero efforts look like steaming piles of monkey dung.

    I went in completely spoiler-free with no expectations and was throroughly entertained for 2.5 hours. Nice.
     
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  6. Goliath

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    No, please: correct me! I'm actually trying to learn more music theory. It's frustrating to be a classical music lover, and to be unable to discuss the subject.

    I just checked my "solfege" program and I hear it now. Thanks for not letting me slide. :techman:
     
  7. Thespeckledkiwi

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    I think that is what my problem is as well. It was good but...didn't feel right in a lot of ways.
     
  8. Goliath

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    That's true. I never thought of that.
     
  9. Caligula

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    Saw it earlier tonight. Freaking excellent. Ledger and Eckhart both turned in amazing performances, finally giving me the Joker and Two Face as I've longed to see them.
     
  10. Canadave

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    I think I finally clicked in that it was a fake-out about five seconds before the reveal, when I realized that there were scenes with Gordon in the trailer that we hadn't gotten to yet. But they had me going for quite a while...
     
  11. Reynolds

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    Yeah. Criminals were scared shitless of Batman in the 1989 version.
    "They say he can't be killed. They say he drinks blood."
     
  12. TGTheodore

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    God bless you for not using "fantastical." Talk about the trendy running of a word into the ground ...

    --Ted
     
  13. Trekker4747

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    Is there some physical law I'm not aware of that prevents someone from naming their kid the same name as a parent?
     
  14. Crewman6

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    But, due to the death of Lao, none of those convictions were going to stick. Gordon even has a line where he admits that, and that everything they worked for was for nothing.
     
  15. Allyn Gibson

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    I'd decided they pulled a fake-out with the trailer.

    After they said that Gordon was down, I mentally flashed to the scene in the trailer where Gordon is talking about the things in Joker's pockets.

    And I'd decided, "They must have filmed that especially for the trailer, so that Gordon's death halfway through the film is a surprise."

    So when Gordon turned up alive? My jaw nearly hit the floor.

    Only the reveal of Ra's al-Ghul in Batman Begins shocked me more.
     
  16. Emh

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    No, neither of the children are named in Batman Begins, nor is his wife.

    I knew Gordon couldn't be dead because I remembered the clip of Gordon being held back by two cops (which turned out to be when Rachel died). Still, I was surprised that they tried to pretend that Gordon was dead.

    I think Aragorn is saying that it's unlikely for that to happen for a daughter to be named after her mother. Which, of course, is complete rubbish. I can think of multiple cases, both real and fictional, where the daugther is named after the mother.
     
  17. Hicks

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    What was different about them? The only thing I can think of is that I believe they didn't have windows this time. Many court rooms don't. But the one in Begins did.

    Their sizes also vary.
     
  18. Emh

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    The court scenes was the only thing I didn't like about The Dark Knight. The court room seen in The Dark Knight does look like a set, not just because of the lack of windows, but because they were dressed simpler. From what I recall, there was nothing on the walls, no seal, no architectural pleasantries, no flag (but I could be wrong about that bit), nothing but flat boring walls. The court room in Batman Begins had much going on for it.

    In addition to the actual set, I thought the acting was a bit awkward and stilted, but maybe that's because I've watched too much Law & Order. :lol:
     
  19. Hicks

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    Yeah, you're right. I thought about that after I walked out of the movie.

    And now that I think about it, there's a continuity error there.

    The implication has been that the time between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight is no more than a year (in fact it feels less than that to me).

    Yet in Begins, we see Gordon's wife feeding a baby in a high chair, and yet in TDK both kids are at least 4/5 years old.

    I guess I'll have to send a memo to the court houses I visit near my home (I do depositions) to spruce up their court rooms? :shrug:
     
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  20. Hicks

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    *delete please, sorry*