The Crash Scene In Nemesis

[Hambone]

Timo said:
Then again, which Trek movie or episode the above wouldn't hold true for?

Timo Saloniemi

Any episode of TNG, which I don't think about at all!

 

[Acky_12]

ancient said:
Picard's shieldless, crippled ship is able to ram Shinzon's highly manuverable, 70% sheilded ship? Right, brilliant move, Picard, thank goodness crappy writing saved you.

Hasn't the answer always been that torpedoes aren't stopped by shields because shields don't stop physical objects? As such, doesn't that seem to extent to the E as well?

 

[Hambone]

Acky_12 said:

Hasn't the answer always been that torpedoes aren't stopped by shields because shields don't stop physical objects? As such, doesn't that seem to extent to the E as well?

I gotta ask, where did you hear this? Shields that wouldn't stop physical objects (asteroids, meteorites, space junk) would be pretty worthless. Unless the Federation ships have several different flavors of shields, all designed to stop different objects or forms of energy.

"Mr. Sulu, raise shields!"

"Aye, Sir. What kind?"

"What kind?"

"Aye, Sir...anti-torpedo, anti-particle beam, anti-asteroid..."

"Well, ah...it's a Bird of Prey."

"Aye, sir. Romulan or Klingon?"

"Romulan or Kli...jeez, I don't know! Just raise the damn shields!!"

 

[Trekker4747]

Hasn't the answer always been that torpedoes aren't stopped by shields because shields don't stop physical objects? As such, doesn't that seem to extent to the E as well?

Ummmm no.

But, rather, it's always been my understanding is you use phasers to weaken/cut through shields and THEN you use torpedoes since torpedoes can do the most damage, and they're limited in numbers, you want to make sure they're hitting the hull.

 

[ancient]

Acky_12 said:

ancient said:
Picard's shieldless, crippled ship is able to ram Shinzon's highly manuverable, 70% sheilded ship? Right, brilliant move, Picard, thank goodness crappy writing saved you.

Hasn't the answer always been that torpedoes aren't stopped by shields because shields don't stop physical objects? As such, doesn't that seem to extent to the E as well?

I don't think that's true. It doesn't really make much sense. But even if it were true, there is no shield flare at all when they hit, which happens even with atmospheric shields. So Shinzon...lowered his shield for some reason? It doesn't make sense, but that's the norm.

 

[Trekker4747]

The only thing I can come up with is that the shields are designed to/capable of resisting kamakaze runs like that either due to the mass of the object (in this case a ship) or the kinetic energy from it.

 

[Kemaiku]

But the Enterprise shields stopped the spinning chunk of debris, otherwise it would have smashed right through the front of the Nacelle and torn into the secondary hull.

 

[ancient]

Chemahkuu said:
But the Enterprise shields stopped the spinning chunk of debris, otherwise it would have smashed right through the front of the Nacelle and torn into the secondary hull.

Exactly.

Rewriting your own rules half-way through is bad.

 

[Akiraprise]

^ True, but not without seriously depleting them. My rationalizing the ramming scene is that even though the Scimitar had shields the Enterprise was just too large an object to block. Still doesn't justify not seeing the shields flash and fail that we should have seen.

 

[Amaris]

I look at it like this:

"Hm. We need to end this scene somehow."
"You know what would be cool?"
"What?"
"Ramming the Scimitar."
"With what?"
"The Enterprise."
"Oooh yeah, that would be sweet!"
"Done!"


And then they went out for frosty chocolate milk shakes.


-J.

 

[DonIago]

Yeah, I LMAO at this scene. If it's supposed to be dramatic, it fails in the face of being simply ludicrous.

 

[DATA2007]

That scene was Picard trying to do a janeway

 

[cultcross]

^ And amusingly, failing. Can't even blow up his own ship, apparently. Even though just two movies earlier he'd warned his crew about firing weapons near the warp core.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

He might say he wants to do it, but subconsciously he doesn't so he won't...

 

[Timo]

Well, with controlled, timer-set self destruct, he'd remain alive and could laugh derisively at Shinzon's final anguished moments from the safety of an escape pod. With the "let's phaser down the warp core" approach, Picard would be dying himself, or then condemning to death at least one of his crew.

Picard didn't have any death wish. If he did, he could always have shot himself right there on the bridge. What he wished for was Shinzon's death. Blowing up the Enterprise was a good way to achieve that, but there was no point in sacrificing Picard's own life for such a two-bit villain, as long as other options remained viable.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ezri]

USS Valkyrie said:
Did anybody notice that Picard didn't even evacuate the forward saucer section?

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