Me, too. It's fourth on my list of five live-action streaming Star Wars series but it largely entertained me and made me smile and at the end of the day it doesn't have to be a redux of A New Hope for me to enjoy the journey.
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Same.
It had some weak points, and, in my opinion, Kenobi is too reticent at times, but it is a very enjoyable story. I enjoyed seeing more of Leia, Alderaan, Bail, and even the fallout of the clone wars moving in to the Empire.
It's not perfect but good entertainment.
Yeah, I really enjoyed it too.
For example, the casual way the series handles slavery has bothered me for a while now.
And as an animal person, it's kinda bugged me for a while now how most of the creatures that they run into they end up killing. And even the ones who aren't vicious monsters that attack them, like the Tauntauns, or Boga, Obi-Wan's varactyl in ROTS end up dying brutal deaths.
Those are just two examples, I'm sure I could come up with more if I felt like giving this more thought.
OK fine, sorry, in this thread then.
Not at all, there are plenty of things I've had issues with in the franchise, but this is just not one of them.
For example, the casual way the series handles slavery has bothered me for a while now.
And as an animal person, it's kinda bugged me for a while now how most of the creatures that they run into they end up killing. And even the ones who aren't vicious monsters that attack them, like the Tauntauns, or Boga, Obi-Wan's varactyl in ROTS end up dying brutal deaths.
Those are just two examples, I'm sure I could come up with more if I felt like giving this more thought.
And I believe the parents are murdered in the beginning of the second Ewoks movie.
No, but it's just the way nobody seems to be bothered by the fact that there are slaves all over the place that kind of bugs me.
I might have said this before, but I really think that individually the Sequel Trilogy movies are good movies, but as a trilogy they're kind of a mess. They're just so all over the place, there's not real clear consistent story arc through the movies, and the only character who has any real arc of their own is Rey. The style and tone of each movie is so different that they barely feel like the same series. I really think they should have just had JJ Abrams do all three, and come up with some kind of outline that gave more consistent story and character arcs, because it was pretty clear that they were making things up as they went along.
I might have said this before, but I really think that individually the Sequel Trilogy movies are good movies, but as a trilogy they're kind of a mess. They're just so all over the place, there's not real clear consistent story arc through the movies, and the only character who has any real arc of their own is Rey. The style and tone of each movie is so different that they barely feel like the same series. I really think they should have just had JJ Abrams do all three, and come up with some kind of outline that gave more consistent story and character arcs, because it was pretty clear that they were making things up as they went along.
This isn't controversial but these Deepfake videos are some of the funniest Star Wars content on YouTube.
I guess it depends when and where you're talking about; Padme seemed very bothered by it to the point of disbelief it was even possible (which mostly just shows how sheltered she was.) Rafa also didn't believe it even when she saw it with her own eyes on Kessel, and Rafa is a cynical as people get. So under the Republic, it wasn't just illegal, it was unthinkable to most, even the destitute denizens of Coruscant's level 1313.
Under the Empire on the other hand . . . well, it's an Empire. Those tend to be built around the idea that some are inherently "better" than others. They're also built on the labour of the masses. Put those two together and you get institutional slavery, with a general attitude that such is the natural order (at least from the people not "naturally ordered" at the bottom of the social pile.)
Which honestly is accurate to the vast majority of human history. It's only in the last few centuries that slavery of one stripe or another wasn't just *normal*. Until the British Empire went to unusual lengths to stamp it out globally (which is a whole other discussion) just about every culture for all of recorded history and beyond practiced some form of slavery. It still happens of course, even to this day, but the difference now is that most people see it as both wrong and unthinkable . . . just like Padme & Rafa.
Why should that matter to Star Wars? Well, Star Wars is modern mythology and folklore. Read enough folklore and mythology and you'll see slavery depicted all through it. Slaves are a part of human storytelling and it would be wrong and dishonest to try and obfuscate that. Moreover; if we want people to continue to see the practice as the abomination that it is, then that lesson must be constantly re-taught lets it be forgotten and the practice creeps back in. The only way to do that is through depiction.
Slavery in Star Wars is interesting in that it has not one, but two parallel depictions; organic slaves, and droids. The former is shown to be abhorrent, practiced by only evil characters and this representing the modern attitude. The latter however is more in line with the historical attitude and allows for an accurate (ish) representation of human storytelling where characters that are supposed to be heroic, are nonetheless surrounded by slaves -- even have them in their service -- and are fine with that.
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I think R2 and 3PO hurrying across the hall between the rebels and stormtroopers shooting at each other on the Tantive IV is pretty ridiculous, but it served its purpose, got some laughs, and lightened things up a bit in the middle of something serious.
We just re-watched some of the ST this weekend. I don't know if Abrams should have done all three, but I think *someone* should've been watching to see that things flowed better amongst the movies.
For example, I think the chemistry among Rey, Poe, and Finn is incredible and should've been the focus once they met. They are the Luke, Han, and Leia of the ST and it would've been nice if they'd been treated as such.
I admit I was disappointed that Finn/Rey didn’t happen (though I gather I’m in the minority on that, with most people preferring Finn/Poe and/or Kylo/Rey), though I’d have been happy enough with either Rose or Jannah getting bigger parts than they ultimately got.
I agree, and I think that is why TROS works better for me than for others. There is a better sense of camaraderie to them. As much as I enjoy TLJ, I think Finn and Poe would have been better to go find the codebreaker, or better yet, be actively trying to recruit for the Resistance and seeding doubts among First Order followers.
It didn't need to be Abrams, I just meant that having one director do all three would have helped to make them more consistent. The only reason I went with Abram is because he directed 2 of them.
I like the original trilogy, the prequels, and even most of The Force Awakens. But when I saw The Last Jedi, I was so shocked I couldn't even form a coherent opinion for at least a full day. Once my senses came back, my main thought was, "My God, they actually did it. They managed to wreck a Star Wars movie." I also saw Rogue One, but the only two moments I really liked were
, and Vader's meeting with Krennic (giving him an entire castle on Mustafar was a badass idea). I skipped The Rise of Skywalker though, and never saw any of the streaming shows, either. I do have to admit though, that the Obi-Wan Kenobi show looks pretty good. I may pick up the Blu-Ray, once it comes out.
Galen Erso's death scene
I like revisions and want more of them.
I want Rex added to Episode 2. I want to see Bail on Alderaan when the Death Star arrived in episode 4 (he is a major character in the saga who we don't get a farewell scene with). I want to see Hera at the Battle of Endor.
Furthermore, I think the cantina scene in A New Hope should periodically randomly changed with some small detail altered or omitted. much like how Douglas Adams and envisioned The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and it's adaptations, deliberately with no two versions exactly matching the other.
I was one of those apparently few fans who loved the Jabba the Hutt addition to Episode IV. That scene had appeared in every adaptation of the movie to date-- the novelization, the comic adaptation, the NPR radio adaptation. I wanted to see that scene and I don't care what anyone else says about it.
I also never saw the big deal over the "who shot first?" controversy. For me, the weight of that scene was the way Han stood up stared down the room while calmly throwing the bartender some coin and apologizing for the mess and walking out of the room like it was an everyday occurrence. THAT was what defined Han Solo for me, not the fact that he shot first.
I want Rex added to Episode 2. I want to see Bail on Alderaan when the Death Star arrived in episode 4 (he is a major character in the saga who we don't get a farewell scene with). I want to see Hera at the Battle of Endor.
Furthermore, I think the cantina scene in A New Hope should periodically randomly changed with some small detail altered or omitted. much like how Douglas Adams and envisioned The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and it's adaptations, deliberately with no two versions exactly matching the other.
I was one of those apparently few fans who loved the Jabba the Hutt addition to Episode IV. That scene had appeared in every adaptation of the movie to date-- the novelization, the comic adaptation, the NPR radio adaptation. I wanted to see that scene and I don't care what anyone else says about it.
I also never saw the big deal over the "who shot first?" controversy. For me, the weight of that scene was the way Han stood up stared down the room while calmly throwing the bartender some coin and apologizing for the mess and walking out of the room like it was an everyday occurrence. THAT was what defined Han Solo for me, not the fact that he shot first.
The thing about that is, they were the focus after the three of them met. Poe and Rey never actually met until final scene of the second movie! A huge structural flaw for the trilogy as a whole and another clue that the storytellers didn't have a clue where they wanted to take the story.
My wife and I had a conversation over this and I have cooled on my Sequel Triology love over the past several years. I think cohesion was the biggest difficulty, as there was an effort to emulate the OT style, which wasn't cohesive in one sense, but still strung together well enough (ignoring retcon in ROTJ), while the PT was so sterile it made it hard to want to rewatch it.
But, the ST struggled to make the story flow nicely together. It was ok. but it needed more. I still think TLJ is a good film, but it was mired in not knowing what to do with Finn and I still hold that Poe should have tied in TFA.
I won't ever think The Sequels are the worse Star Wars films (TPM still holds that title) but my enjoyment has waned. Never thought I would say that but I'll own changing my mind.
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