Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[Reverend]

Also; fairy-tales (especially those sourced from old folklore) almost always have dark elements (emphasis on "elements") but that's not the same thing as a dark tone. Context is everything. That darkness serves a purpose as it's meant to instruct kids in how to navigate and comprehend the world. So yes, such content is very appropriate.

 

[BillJ]

Nah, it was played for laughs. Bad look.

It was played for entertainment value. Which is why people watch.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Hardly.

Watch several Disney movies, like Moana and talk of infanticide in a character's backstory, to cite a more recent example.

It's a balancing act that storytellers strive for. While adults might know Leia will be fine kidnapping still unsettles a bit so the approach is a valid one.

Effectiveness will vary.

You can defend that scene as much as you like, but this "space fantasy kids series" found "humor" in an incident (kidnapping a child) that anyone would find disturbing.

 

[Tuskin38]

that anyone would find disturbing.

Evidentially not, considering all the people disagreeing with you.

If it was real life or if the story was based on real life, sure, but this isn't real life.

 

[cooleddie74]

I didn't. I found it part of the entertainment value of the episode, and was some pretty in-your-face telegraphing that even at the age of 10 Leia knew how to outpace pursuers and attackers. In nine years she'll be Carrie Fisher giving medals to Luke and Han. Kid Leia is also going to be portrayed as resourceful and always thinking.

 

[fireproof78]

You can defend that scene as much as you like, but this "space fantasy kids series" found "humor" in an incident (kidnapping a child) that anyone would find disturbing.

Well, no, obviously not, given the several shows and films I have seen that have been a little more whimsical in kidnapping or attempted. So, this space fantasy kid series is actually in line with other kids/family series or films I have watched.

Again, it's a balance of tone, to not go super dark, and not full whimsical.

You might find it disturbing, and that's all well and good, but assuming anyone is a stretch.

 

[Ithekro]

This little girl would be planning operations to steal her own ships from under the Empire's nose in six years' time.

 

[JD]

Nah, it was played for laughs. Bad look.

Obviously it's not that bad since you're the only person who has problem with it.

You mean the same "space fantasy kids series" where the hero is Force-dragged through a ground set on fire, subjecting him to burns ? Where Kenobi finds a tomb of dead Jedi, including younglings? Not typical light, kid's material.

Hey, you referred to it as a "space fantasy kids series", but so many key or major scenes were flat-out dark and disturbing--hardly children's material.

Dude, have watched you watched kids' movies or read kids' books, there's plenty of dark disturbing shit in those things. Hell, I watched The Nevending Story once as a kid and Morla and Gmork scared me so bad I didn't watch it again until my 20s.
And as for a kids movie/show making light of a kidnapping, have you ever watched Labyrinth? It had a kidnapping scene that was played even more for laughs than Obi-Wan Kenobi's.

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[Nerys Myk]

Kids have been outwitting and out running adults in fiction for ever. This is not a new thing.

 

[Reverend]

We also have a whole Star Wars show coming up that's seemingly about a bunch of kids out there alone (more or less) being Space Goonies. Indeed most kid's adventure stories involve them being separated from family and/or home for one reason or another, and it's often not by choice.
'Home Alone' anyone? 'Honey I Shrunk the Kids'? 'Explorers'? 'Wizard of/Return to Oz'? 'Stand By Me'? 'Flight of the Navigator'? 'Holes'? 'Hook'? 'Jumanji'?
These are by no means an unusual, or even particularly noteworthy story elements.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Obviously it's not that bad since you're the only person who has problem with it.

Speaking in absolutes again. The Kenobi thread had people criticizing the scene in question for a number of reasons.

Whoops.

Dude, have watched you watched kids' movies or read kids' books, there's plenty of dark disturbing shit in those things.

I understand you will defend anything in this franchise, no matter how bad the message or look. Good day, kid.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I understand you will defend anything in this franchise, no matter how bad the message or look. Good day, kid.

What's the "bad message" here?

 

[Set Harth]

We also have a whole Star Wars show coming up that's seemingly about a bunch of kids out there alone (more or less) being Space Goonies.

Don't remind me.

 

[cooleddie74]

Millions of kids died in flame and violence when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan. That's a much worse thing to think about than a child kidnapping scene in a sci-fi/fantasy franchise and even the Death Star's act doesn't cause me to lose any sleep.

 

[fireproof78]

Was I the only one who grew up watching movies like Surf Ninjas, 3 Ninjas, Home Alone, Land Before Time, Baby's Day Out, Carpool, True Lies, among others, were abductions and threats to kids lives were part of family comedies or animated films?

Or the Ewok Adventure with parents in a cage?

Just me?

 

[cooleddie74]

I grew up watching movies with child scenes that would make 10-year-old Leia running from kidnappers seem like a Teletubbies song.

 

[fireproof78]

Explains so much.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Don't remind me.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Reverend]

Yes, heavens forfend Star Wars makes a show aimed squarely at the 8-15 demographic! It should always and only be made for 50 year old men!

What's the "bad message" here?

"Kidnapping bad"? Hmm . . . but wait a minute; "Kidnapping bad" was how it was portrayed in the plot! We appear to have a conundrum!
I mean obviously this entire scene is objectively and conceptually indefensible; we just can't be sure of why . . .

 

[BillJ]

I know it isn't a popular thought, but I really enjoyed Obi-Wan Kenobi.