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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

I mean, Dark Siders don't ever let go of anything. They twist their mind around the idea that increasing their power will keep them from losing what they want, including life itself. I love the line from the ROTS novel that Qui-Gon says in response to Yoda's comment on still having power in the afterlife. "The ultimate goal of the Sith yet they never can achieve it because it requires the letting go of oneself not empowering oneself."
 
Yeah, that's the reason why the Dark Side ghosts (Revan and Bane) in the Mortis arc were cut.
It went against George's view of the force, which IIRC is what Qui-Gon is talking about.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Revan

In 2011, Revan was slated to appear in "Ghosts of Mortis," an episode of the third season of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series. Revan would have appeared as a Sith Lord alongside Darth Bane as advisors to the powerful Force wielder known as the Son, but they were ultimately cut from the episode in late production. The show's director, Dave Filoni, was apprehensive of using the scene, and the scene was removed at George Lucas's request because it conflicted with Lucas's view on the Force.[10]

Filoni stated the scene was removed because Sith Lords existing beyond death or outside of the Force contradicted the established aspects and meaning of it, though the idea was acknowledged and it went far into development.

Though it's ironic, according to Filoni, George was the one who wanted 2 Sith lords in that story in the first place. Did he forget his own thoughts on the force when suggesting the idea?

Also before someone brings up Bane in the Season 6 Yoda Arc, that was an illusion not a ghost.
 
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Best to hear Dave himself explain it.
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I think some people have a much more rigid idea of what George's ideas are than even George does. You'd think the multiple editing changes to the OT would clue people in, but he's very flexible on the details.

In this instance it sounds like the initial idea was "let's try something cool", and because it's Mortis, you can kinda fudge it because you're not really supposed to know what's real, what's not, what's metaphor, and what's literal. For example; the show never reveals for sure whether that was really Qui-Gon (it probably was), or who was behind Ahsoka's vision (it was probably The Daughter), it only showed The Son behind Anakin's vision of Shmi.
So would they have literally been the still existent consciousnesses of Revan and Bane? Or would they have been merely echoes and shadows; a vision of those long gone, in a place where time has no meaning? I infer that the reason Lucas reconsidered was that on reflection, the implication cut too much against the grain of his ideas for how the force works.

This is totally normal and it's how any creative process works; writing, painting, drawing, designing, sculpting; all of it! You don't start with narrow parameters and restrict yourself to only colour within the lines, you start with a blank canvas and made broad bold strokes, then through successive drafts, iterations, and explorations it gets parred down and refined into something that works.

Of course they eventually revisit the idea by having Bane show up in the Yoda arc, but there it's made explicitly clear (and indeed, it's the point of the scene) that it's not really him. He's dead and gone. It's just an illusion.
ETA: Also bonus points for redesigning the character; I always hated the EU design for him (yes I know they put it in too as a statue, but you can barely see it and thus easily ignored.) I'll take Ancient Chinese Warrior Balrog over Bone-Face Nosferatu anytime.
Fenic was saved by Boba Fett via Mod Parlor and cybernetics. And she's been shot probably a day before given how slow Bantha seem to be.
Most of a day, certainly. Boba spotted the flairs from the fight when it was still dark, then she was shot literally at dawn, and it was dark again by the time he got there.
Of course how long or even consistent day lengths are on a planet with two suns is open to some interpretation. It could have been a very short day where just the one sun arc over the horizon and down again in just a few hours. Not that it matters much either way.
Yes, that was who I was thinking of. Super annoying foe in the battle too. That whole spinning attack was just aggravating.
There was also this guy in Dark Empire who was basically a ball with a human head, which given what else goes on in those books is probably the least weird looking character of the bunch.
 
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There was also this guy in Dark Empire who was basically a ball with a human head, which given what else goes on in those books is probably the least weird looking character of the bunch.
And an unusually important character in Legends-canon, as he prevented Palpatine from taking over the body of Anakin Solo by trapping Palpatine's spirit in his own body and dying, thus vanquishing Palpatine to the netherworld once and for all.
 
How many times has this/these been mentioned already?
In 'A New Hope', why didn't the Death Star fire through Yavin IV at the moon with the rebel base when it became clear to the Empire there was actual danger with the Rebels' attack?
If firing through Yavin wasn't possible was Death Star's planet buster laser the only weapon to use?
Some fighters like TIE bombers could have carried bombs and drop them on the rebel base?
Was there a Star Cruiser nearby, one of those could destroy a base from orbit, right?
 
How many times has this/these been mentioned already?
In 'A New Hope', why didn't the Death Star fire through Yavin IV at the moon with the rebel base when it became clear to the Empire there was actual danger with the Rebels' attack?
If firing through Yavin wasn't possible was Death Star's planet buster laser the only weapon to use?
Some fighters like TIE bombers could have carried bombs and drop them on the rebel base?
Was there a Star Cruiser nearby, one of those could destroy a base from orbit, right?
The whole point of the Death Star was to be the big intimidation to the galaxy. Instead of worrying about a fleet of ships, which the Rebel Alliance was able to compete against, as noted in dialog in A New Hope. The Imperial leadership was feeling vulnerable as the Alliance starfighters were better able to combat Imperial fleets maneuvers. The Death Star was the unstoppable force to intimidate any possible rebellion, keeping other star systems from jumping in with the Alliance.
 
How many times has this/these been mentioned already?
In 'A New Hope', why didn't the Death Star fire through Yavin IV at the moon with the rebel base when it became clear to the Empire there was actual danger with the Rebels' attack?
If firing through Yavin wasn't possible was Death Star's planet buster laser the only weapon to use?
Some fighters like TIE bombers could have carried bombs and drop them on the rebel base?
Was there a Star Cruiser nearby, one of those could destroy a base from orbit, right?
I think you're vastly underestimating the overwhelming strength of Imperial arrogance.
They thought they were invincible, and when the top man actively scoffs at the idea of preparing for failure (even to save his own skin!) ain't nobody else down the chain going to start suggesting alternate strategies. They were there to crush the rebellion with one swift stroke, and that's exactly what they intended to do, no matter what.
 
Even Vader called out the Imperials for putting too much stock on the Death Star. Guess Anakin learned some humility over the years.

Then again he just goes on to gloat about the Force. So maybe not.
 
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It was Mortis that was the last straw for me with The Clone Wars. I wasn't enjoying it much anyway, but that was game over.

I keep thinking I should revisit it for the Mandalorian back story, but...
 
It was Mortis that was the last straw for me with The Clone Wars. I wasn't enjoying it much anyway, but that was game over.

I keep thinking I should revisit it for the Mandalorian back story, but...
It has high points and low points. It ends strongly, for example.

There are certainly a few episodes that I wouldn't mind if I never saw them again.
 
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I'm sure Mandalorian is designed to be easy to follow for those who haven't watched the cartoons. But from TCW you get the history of the darksaber, the Bo-Katan kind of Mandalorians ( who don't have to wear their helmets at all times cause that's crazy ), and everything that went down with Bo-Katan's sister. Going by the S3 trailer they appear to be in the room where some of that stuff happened, so it might conceivably come up. You also get a lot of context for who Ahsoka is, as well as an explanation of what she means when she calls herself a 'friend of the family' with respect to Luke ( if that's not obvious ).
 
I'm sure Mandalorian is designed to be easy to follow for those who haven't watched the cartoons. But from TCW you get the history of the darksaber, the Bo-Katan kind of Mandalorians ( who don't have to wear their helmets at all times cause that's crazy ), and everything that went down with Bo-Katan's sister. Going by the S3 trailer they appear to be in the room where some of that stuff happened, so it might conceivably come up. You also get a lot of context for who Ahsoka is, as well as an explanation of what she means when she calls herself a 'friend of the family' with respect to Luke ( if that's not obvious ).
Things I don't care about.
 
I'm sure Mandalorian is designed to be easy to follow for those who haven't watched the cartoons. But from TCW you get the history of the darksaber, the Bo-Katan kind of Mandalorians ( who don't have to wear their helmets at all times cause that's crazy ), and everything that went down with Bo-Katan's sister. Going by the S3 trailer they appear to be in the room where some of that stuff happened, so it might conceivably come up. You also get a lot of context for who Ahsoka is, as well as an explanation of what she means when she calls herself a 'friend of the family' with respect to Luke ( if that's not obvious ).
Good to know, thanks!
 
I don't imagine they will reintroduce Korkie Kryze (Bo-Katan's nephew, and rumored love child between her sister Satine Kryze and Obi-wan Kenobi).
 
Yeah, Bo already said she's the last of her line by the time of Mando, so I think it's a fair bet that Korkie is already dead. Indeed the last time we saw him, Gar Saxon laid him out during their attempted rescue of Satine. He was nowhere to be seen in Bo's breakout of Obi-Wan, or decades later during the civil war, so it's possible Maul or Saxon executed him.

Oh and he's probably too old to have been the issue of Obi-Wan & Satine anyway.
 
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