Spock's a liar. But anyway, not wanting and not getting a promotion are two different things.
The Confusing Case of Captain Pike's Chronological Age
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Spock's a liar. But anyway, not wanting and not getting a promotion are two different things.
Mitchell really should be in the mix at some point even if just as an occasional secondary character. I hope they remember the "served together for years" bit.
We know they are TOS fans and they definitely would have reviewed the early episodes in preparation, so I have hope.
We know they are TOS fans and they definitely would have reviewed the early episodes in preparation, so I have hope.
Suppose that a man born in 1805 becomes a major in a Civil War volunteer regiment in 1861. The youngest boy in the regiment at that time is 14-year-old Musician Bill Smith. Four years later, in the spring of 1865, the major is now a colonel, the former young drummer boy Bill Smith is now an 18-year-old sergeant, and the newest recruit is a 12-year-old drummer boy John Doe.
I can imagine the colonel telling the young new drummer boy John Doe (b. 1852/53) that he remembers when Sergeant Smith (born 1846/47) was about Musician John Doe's age, even though Sergeant Smith is about 6 years older than Musician John Doe, and in 1865 is about 1.5 times John Doe's age.
And there may be a vaguely similar situaiton with the ages of Mendez, Pike, and Kirk. Kirk and PIke may think that Pike is significantly older than Kirk. But Mendez may think that they are rather similar in age, even though Pike was born beforre KIrk, and that Pike at the time he best remembers Pike from was about the same age as Kirk is now.
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That's a bit of stretch given Spock's history. Getting mad that someone else got a promotion strikes me as exceptionally out of character.
We know what Spock is like when he gets mad. As a kid, he slams doors. As a young man, he goes all sarcastic and grows a beard. As an adult, he slams plomeek soup, desktop terminals and people.
I would just love to see him receive the news of Kirk's promotion/assignment.
Timo Saloniemi
I would just love to see him receive the news of Kirk's promotion/assignment.
Timo Saloniemi
I think it depends on if he feels he has something to prove.
Please no.
I think the writers will be smarter than that. But, just like there was no avoiding Spock in DSC, there's no way they could skip showing Kirk at least once in SNW S1, perhaps in the season cliffhanger. Or S2 at the latest.
I just hope they will catch the Spock-and-Mitchell-were-close-colleagues reference and do something amusing with it. And then we will finally get more material for our "The Minor Mystery of Mitchell's Maturity" thread. No way his PSI test card age of 23 is current as of "WNMHGB"!
Timo Saloniemi
I just hope they will catch the Spock-and-Mitchell-were-close-colleagues reference and do something amusing with it. And then we will finally get more material for our "The Minor Mystery of Mitchell's Maturity" thread. No way his PSI test card age of 23 is current as of "WNMHGB"!
Timo Saloniemi
If we see Kirk,he shouldn't be meeting Pike. Maybe just have his name mentioned once a season?
They could have a joint mission with another ship, like the Farragut, and mention Kirk in passing.
Kirk says that Kirk (and possibly Spock?) were at Axanar but never met Garth, and that Kirk said "the dream" made them "brothers". Does this apply to everyone in Starfleet; "we are one big happy family", or does this imply something more personal to Kirk and Spock? Possibly, they could have been in an adventure together as cadets. Was this when Kirk was on the USS Republic? Anyway, this would be many years before the SNW timeline, so, Kirk and Spock may be established as friends at this point.
Kirk says that Kirk (and possibly Spock?) were at Axanar but never met Garth, and that Kirk said "the dream" made them "brothers". Does this apply to everyone in Starfleet; "we are one big happy family", or does this imply something more personal to Kirk and Spock? Possibly, they could have been in an adventure together as cadets. Was this when Kirk was on the USS Republic? Anyway, this would be many years before the SNW timeline, so, Kirk and Spock may be established as friends at this point.
Since Kirk was 34 years old in the 2nd season episode "The Deadly Years",and since Spock's mother Amanda was only about 58 years old in "Journey to Babel", I doubt whether the Starfleet careers of KIrk and Spock started early enough for them to have met in Starfleet "Many years" before SNW.
According to background graphics, deleted scenes etc Spock was born 2230 and Kirk in 2233.
Probably not "many", but maybe only ~three years.
Amanda's age was not shown on screen, although the DSC actress is young. Although young female character mated to decades older male character is a Hollywood male fantasy on screen.
I'm fine with splitting the difference between the TOS and Kelvin versions by having Pike be born circa 2210, but I'm also fine with the idea that he's a bit older and just looks like he's in his 40s. A circa 2200 birth does not bother me. People in the future can live longer and apparent age can be a cosmetic choice. Maybe Prime-Pike just wanted to look a little younger than Kelvin-Pike.
"Mated?" Like they're animals and not people with agency?
"Mated?" Like they're animals and not people with agency?
StarTrek.com puts Amanda's birth at 2210, which, if true, places her around 19 or even 18 when Spock is conceived (he is born in early January 2230 according to Star Trek Beyond), with a Vulcan noble in his mid-60s. We also know that she is his second wife or perhaps even a mistress at the time, and their relationship on the whole is scandalous (although this is likely due to the interspecies nature of it).
Non-canon usually places her birth about 8 to 10 years earlier, which is a little more palatable to my 21st century eyes. I mean, I don't care how enlightened people are in the Star Trekverse, it doesn’t seem right for a teenager to be starting a family before she ever had the chance to begin a professional career (of course, yes, she can and did both).
Logically, though, thinking as a Vulcan, it would make sense to "mate" with a young Human woman, if you are inclined to engage in such a relationship, in order to maximize the marriage time between the two. The ~46 year difference between them means that, conceivably, Amanda could live to a ripe old age (which she may have), and Sarek could pass away relatively young (which he, ultimately, did not) without worrying about decades of separation and widowness. Of course, I'd rather their relationship be a little more spontaneous/natural rather than think about Sarek trolling for 18-year-olds.
Non-canon usually places her birth about 8 to 10 years earlier, which is a little more palatable to my 21st century eyes. I mean, I don't care how enlightened people are in the Star Trekverse, it doesn’t seem right for a teenager to be starting a family before she ever had the chance to begin a professional career (of course, yes, she can and did both).
Logically, though, thinking as a Vulcan, it would make sense to "mate" with a young Human woman, if you are inclined to engage in such a relationship, in order to maximize the marriage time between the two. The ~46 year difference between them means that, conceivably, Amanda could live to a ripe old age (which she may have), and Sarek could pass away relatively young (which he, ultimately, did not) without worrying about decades of separation and widowness. Of course, I'd rather their relationship be a little more spontaneous/natural rather than think about Sarek trolling for 18-year-olds.
I"Mated?" Like they're animals and not people with agency?
Vulcans themselves call it getting mated. Pretty racist of you to appropriate the agency of defining one's cultural identity! (Did I miss a buzzword there?)
The age of Amanda is open to speculation, but "Yesteryear" already showed us a seven-year Spock thirty years before an immediate post-TOS event, which is as accurate as it gets. (Except of course that we learn Spock was born in 8870 sharp, from the very same episode. Or in stardate 2230.06, from ST:B. Make of those alien dating systems whatever you wish.)
Timo Saloniemi
Amanda was 18/19 when pregnant with Spock? Yikes.
"Yikes"? Being pregnant at 18/19 is what most women on this planet do.
The age difference between Mum and Dad is a separate issue. But since Vulcans are considered to be culled in the prime of their life if dying at mere 200 or so, possibly the "adjusted difference" is negligible. We've been following the adventures of a 50-yr-old toddler with interest recently; this need not be particularly different.
Timo Saloniemi
The age difference between Mum and Dad is a separate issue. But since Vulcans are considered to be culled in the prime of their life if dying at mere 200 or so, possibly the "adjusted difference" is negligible. We've been following the adventures of a 50-yr-old toddler with interest recently; this need not be particularly different.
Timo Saloniemi
