The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

[TREK_GOD_1]

George had been successfully sued in court about it years before. Everybody knew about it. That was John's opinion of the matter when asked by an interviewer.

Lennon was correct.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Rollin? Cinnamon? Were they on the show back when the Beatles were making those old records?

Yes. Rollin filled in for Paul McCartney after that near-fatal assassination attempt.

 

[gblews]

John deliberately and knowlingly homaged the Chuck Berry song "You Can't Catch Me" in "Come Together"--"Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly". Somehow, he was successfully sued on the basis that the entire song was too close to "You Can't Catch Me," which wasn't John's intent and which I don't hear myself.

Ah, but in copyright cases, “intent” is irrelevant.

John also lifted almost note for note, the signature guitar figure used in I Feel Fine, from an old r&b/blues musician named Bobby Parker. Parker, however never suede John or the Beatles. Paul wasn’t immune either. A line or two of Yesterday was pretty close to an old Nat King Cole song of the same title.

It’s pop music, it happens, though unconscious copyright infringement is not outright theft the way conscious infringement is. Thus, my point that John had no room to talk about George.

The ruling still had Harrison swiping far too much of "He's So Fine"; the song was far too recognizable for anyone in the same business to claim they never heard it at all, and the swiping was so glaring, one cannot listen to "My Sweet Lord" without thinking of "He's So Fine". It was not some fly-by-night song that sputtered out at #95 on the charts. Its one of the standout hits of that decade, making Harrison's "I've never heard it" claim about as believable as someone saying they transform into Godzilla when exposed to sunlight. As noted the other day, its a line of behavior that had its origins when he was with the group, and supported by McCartney's own statement. Adding Lennon's opinion (quoted by The Old Mixer) and Harrison was not just some innocent guy who stumbled into swiping from an enormously famous song..

Just because He’s So Fine was pervasive in America, does not mean it had the same level of penetration in England. What makes me believe George never heard”Fine” was that the songs were so close in melodic structure, I don’t see any way George would not have heard it and changed his song.

I definitely believe George thought he was structuring Lord similarly to Oh Happy Day, as Darren’s post points out. If you sing the first lines of the choruses of these two songs, the two first lines have a similar feel.

But of course, you’re free to believe whatever you want.

BTW, you should google the topic of copyright infringement allegations and litigation. I think you’d quickly find out how common it is in pop music.

The too-clear-to-miss comparison was to the intent of Screen Gems to use Fabares for The Donna Reed Show to achieve the same effect as Nelson on his family's series. Period. There was no Monkees comparison in that point, but you allowed the obsessive hate to lead you into believing there had been.

Dude, I don’t hate The Monkees. I liked all of the songs I heard on the show, which I also liked. Of course I was just a kid when The Monkees was in production. Nothing personal, but they really aren’t important enough for me to hate. I also draw the line at comparing a feaux band to, not some close equivalent, but to some of the great bands of the rock era.

Good lord, where are the comps to the Beau Brummell or Freddie and the Dreamers. These guys were real bands, but closer to the Monkee level.

Now, Hall and Oates, I hate.

You are conflating an impression of the group's value with the historically false notion that they were the equivalent of The Partridge Family or Hanna-Barbera's The Impossibles. The salient point is that each were musicians pre-Monkees, who brought their abilities into the project, and to varying degrees, playing, writing and producing at the start of the 1st album. That is the polar opposite of being a so-called "faux" act like the aforementioned creations.

No, the “salient” point is that The Monkees, Shelly, TPF, were all feaux bands created for TV shows. Their legacy is The Blues Brothers, Hannah Montana, The Archies, and others of that ilk. The salient point, is that, the aforementioned is true no matter how much individual musical talent the individual Monkees actors may have had. The discussion is about the feaux band, not the individual actors.

I'm describing Elvis--his entire act and that which brought him to prominence (riding in on the free pass of being white) was the result of stolen singing style, dancing, specific approach to music, certain songs--everything. He did not come out of a hovel in Tupelo and just organically transform into that act. All that made him famous was a conscious construction and one of the most blatant, undeniable acts of aggressive cultural appropriation (in numerous categories) ever seen in commercial entertainment. If he--and his handlers--did not steal and fly-machine his act in the manner seen, history would have never known of one Elvis Presley.

I agree with most of this about Elvis. Fun fact, there was this Black singer/songwriter who wrote some of Elvis’ early hits, can’t remember his name, died some years ago, made demos of some of the songs he wrote for Elvis. On the demos, this guy sings in the exact same style as Elvis on his early hits. Many think that this guy actually “taught” Elvis to sing in the way he did early in his career.

HOWEVER, Elvis was not an actor playing the part of a rock musician in a scripted sitcom. There is NO comparison between him and the actors who played The Monkees.

 

[The Old Mixer]

55th Anniversary Fly-on-the-Wall Listening

Anthology 2 mixes together outtakes from January 19–20 and February 10 to give us an alternate version of "A Day in the Life":

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I know this came up back when I was watching the show, but the best thing to compare the Monkees to in the existing music business of the time would not be to a band like the Beatles (as the TV show was trying to present them) but to the Brill Building model, which had in-house writers, producers, etc. crafting songs for stables of solo artists and vocal groups who were considered interchangeable. Motown also followed this model.

Yes. Rollin filled in for Paul McCartney after that near-fatal assassination attempt.

Rollin strikes me as more of a George type.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Ah, but in copyright cases, “intent” is irrelevant.

John also lifted almost note for note, the signature guitar figure used in I Feel Fine, from an old r&b/blues musician named Bobby Parker. Parker, however never suede John or the Beatles. Paul wasn’t immune either. A line or two of Yesterday was pretty close to an old Nat King Cole song of the same title.

You've just made my point about the Beatles swiping from other artists, and its that trait which was never led to Harrison's legal troubles over "He's So Fine".

Thus, my point that John had no room to talk about George.

Lennon was there to see how that habit or trait worked. He (like McCartney with his own admission) were the insiders, and knew Harrison was not some loose-brained man who just stumbled into building "My Sweet Lord" off of a very famous song.

Just because He’s So Fine was pervasive in America, does not mean it had the same level of penetration in England.

Other UK artists, such as Pete Townshend, Brian Jones, Roger Daltrey, Keith Richards, Jeff Beck, Mick Jagger, Petula Clark, Jeff Lynne, Roger Waters, Elton John and too many to list here all have talked about how familiar they were with American hits which were widely distributed in the UK, and other European regions. to that end, there was no way Harrison could have missed such a prominent, distributed hit such as "He's So Fine".

BTW, you should google the topic of copyright infringement allegations and litigation. I think you’d quickly find out how common it is in pop music.

Well aware of it, but the pervasive nature of wrongdoing does not absolve anyone of the act.

Dude, I don’t hate The Monkees. I liked all of the songs I heard on the show, which I also liked. Of course I was just a kid when The Monkees was in production. Nothing personal, but they really aren’t important enough for me to hate.

The very nature of your statements betrays your stated position.

Now, Hall and Oates, I hate.

^ May you find yourself tied to a chair watching a loop of every episode of Two Broke Girls and Saved By the Bell for the next decade.

No, the “salient” point is that The Monkees, Shelly, TPF, were all feaux bands created for TV shows. Their legacy is The Blues Brothers, Hannah Montana, The Archies, and others of that ilk. The salient point, is that, the aforementioned is true no matter how much individual musical talent the individual Monkees actors may have had. The discussion is about the feaux band, not the individual actors.

Once again, you make the false comparison about a group of musicians who became a group as intended to a marketing deal based on a cartoon/comic book (The Archies), a purely made-for-TV act with no musical goals as a real group such as The Partridge Family, or a couple of comedians who exercised musical interests, but said interest was not, nor would it ever be their main career.

HOWEVER, Elvis was not an actor playing the part of a rock musician in a scripted sitcom. There is NO comparison between him and the actors who played The Monkees.

Venue matters not. Elvis was a wholly manufactured act of high-level theft/cultural appropriation who became a symbol for part of two generations who celebrated him as a God among men while resenting others--black others--who created and released the same kind of music. Berry knew it. Richard knew it. Everyone knew it, but the greatest, sticky-fingered, manufactured act in entertainment history was elevated to "cultural icon" status. Such are the benefits of a dominant group who determines who will be celebrated and who will not,

 

[gblews]

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You've just made my point about the Beatles swiping from other artists, and its that trait which was never led to Harrison's legal troubles over "He's So Fine".

Whoa, didn’t see this coming.

If you will recall, several posts ago I that the Beatles had some copyright allegations with one admitted (by John).

Lennon was there to see how that habit or trait worked. He (like McCartney with his own admission) were the insiders, and knew Harrison was not some loose-brained man who just stumbled into building "My Sweet Lord" off of a very famous song.

The Beatles released hundreds of original songs in their careers, some recorded by them, some recorded by others. Out of those hundreds of songs, a very tiny number of them received rights infringement allegations. Out of that tiny number of allegations (compared to the total number of releases), only one was an admitted cop. George always maintained that he was unaware he was infringing on a copyright, and the judge agreed with him.

Your allegation that Paul admitted to copyright infringement has already been debunked by the Nerys posting the rest of that conversation. But I understand your need to continue to see it the way you do.
Your allegation of copyright infringement being a “trait” or “habit,” based on the facts as presented, is amusing. I didn’t say “desperate,” just
amusing.

Well aware of it, but the pervasive nature of wrongdoing does not absolve anyone of the act.

No man, you missed the point. It wasn’t that “it’s not wrong cause lots of people do it”, it was that a google search would show you that the number of allegations alone do not equal “guilty.” Allegations of copyright infringement are common.

The very nature of your statements betrays your stated p

When you start reaching, you don’t ness around. When I said the Monkees weren’t important enough for me to hate, I wasn’t just trying to insult them. I was simply stating a fact. They would need to earn my respect before earning my hate. But even if I did respect them, I don’t see any reason to hate them.

^ May you find yourself tied to a chair watching a loop of every episode of Two Broke Girls and Saved By the Bell for the next decade.

Well, beats the heck out of being tied to a chair and forced to listen to Sara Smile on a loop.

Once again, you make the false comparison about a group of musicians who became a group as intended

Bro, you made the false comparison of a TV feaux hand with two of the greatest rock bands ever. Please don’t do that again.

Venue matters not. Elvis was a wholly manufactured act of high-level theft/cultural appropriation who became a symbol for part of two generations who celebrated him as a God

Yeah, Richard Berrry, ouldn’t think of that name to save my life last night. Thanks.

Yes, I agree with most of what you say about Elvis. He benefitted greatly from being white, because if he’d been Black, the Elvis story would have gone a different way.

But Elvis was not a feaux hand, he was…blah blah blah.

Starting to repeat myself and so are you, which means that for me, this concludes this latest session of Monkees important(Monkees

 

[RJDiogenes]

Rollin strikes me as more of a George type.

Yeah, but George wasn't rumored to be dead.

 

[The Old Mixer]

55 Years Ago This Week

February 12 – In Chichester, West Sussex, British police raided 'Redlands', the home of the Rolling Stones' Keith Richards in the early hours of the morning following a tip-off about a party from the News of the World. No arrests were made at the time, but Richards, Mick Jagger and art dealer Robert Fraser would subsequently be convicted of possession of drugs. On June 29, Richards would be sentenced by Judge Leslie Block to one year in prison, and Jagger to three months, but both would be released pending an appeal; on July 31, the London Appeal Court would overturn both convictions.

February 13

• American researchers discover the Madrid Codices by Leonardo da Vinci in the National Library of Spain.
• The Beatles released the songs "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" on the same 45 rpm record as a "double A-sided" single in the United States, with a release in the UK four days later. Both were about locations in Liverpool. Sales where the record was displayed as "Penny Lane" would make it be #1 in the U.S. for the week ending March 18, while its flip side would peak at #8.

February 15 – The Soviet Union announces that it has sent troops near the Chinese border.

February 17 – "Fine Structure of RNA Codewords Recognized by Bacterial, Amphibian, and Mammalian Transfer RNA", authored by Marshall Nirenberg, Richard E. Marshall and C. Thomas Caskey, was published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science in its weekly magazine, Science, revealing their discovery that genetic code is universal and that the same messenger RNA (mRNA) nucleotides encoded proteins in all biological systems.

February 18

• New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison announced at a press conference that he believed that the assassination of John F. Kennedy had been a conspiracy, and that his office had been working on the seeking an indictment over "the possible role of some individuals in New Orleans", adding that "arrests will be made."
• Died: J. Robert Oppenheimer, 62, American atomic physicist, died of throat cancer. A biographer would write of him, "More than any other man, he was responsible for issuing American theoretical physics from a provincial adjunct of Europe to world leadership."

Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

1. "Kind of a Drag," The Buckinghams
2. "I'm a Believer," The Monkees
3. "Ruby Tuesday," The Rolling Stones
4. "Georgy Girl," The Seekers
5. "(We Ain't Got) Nothin' Yet," The Blues Magoos
6. "Love Is Here and Now You're Gone," The Supremes
7. "98.6," Keith
8. "Tell It Like It Is," Aaron Neville
9. "The Beat Goes On," Sonny & Cher
10. "Gimme Some Lovin'," The Spencer Davis Group
11. "Green, Green Grass of Home," Tom Jones

13. "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye," The Casinos
14. "I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)," The Electric Prunes
15. "Snoopy vs. The Red Baron," The Royal Guardsmen
16. "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy," Cannonball Adderley
17. "Pretty Ballerina," The Left Banke
18. "Music to Watch Girls By," The Bob Crewe Generation
19. "Baby I Need Your Lovin'," Johnny Rivers
20. "It Takes Two," Marvin Gaye & Kim Weston
21. "Go Where You Wanna Go," The 5th Dimension
22. "Good Thing," Paul Revere & The Raiders
23. "It's Now Winter's Day," Tommy Roe

25. "You Got to Me," Neil Diamond
26. "Standing in the Shadows of Love," Four Tops
27. "Sock It to Me, Baby!," Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels

29. "Bring It Up," James Brown
30. "Nashville Cats," The Lovin' Spoonful

33. "The Hunter Gets Captured by the Game," The Marvelettes
34. "So You Want to Be a Rock 'n' Roll Star," The Byrds

38. "Pushin' Too Hard," The Seeds
39. "For What It's Worth (Stop, Hey What's That Sound)," Buffalo Springfield

41. "I've Been Lonely Too Long," The Young Rascals

43. "Epistle to Dippy," Donovan
44. "Niki Hoeky," P.J. Proby
45. "Words of Love," The Mamas & The Papas
46. "Everybody Needs Somebody to Love," Wilson Pickett
47. "Let's Fall in Love," Peaches & Herb
48. "Knight in Rusty Armour," Peter & Gordon

50. "Colour My World," Petula Clark

53. "Wild Thing," Senator Bobby feat. Bill Minkin
54. "There's a Kind of Hush," Herman's Hermits

57. "Let's Spend the Night Together," The Rolling Stones
58. "California Nights," Lesley Gore
59. "Darling Be Home Soon," The Lovin' Spoonful

62. "Happy Together," The Turtles

65. "I Think We're Alone Now," Tommy James & The Shondells

71. "Sit Down, I Think I Love You," The Mojo Men

77. "Ups and Downs," Paul Revere & The Raiders

88. "The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)," Harpers Bizarre

95. "The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

Leaving the chart:

• "How Do You Catch a Girl," Sam the Sham & The Pharaohs (8 weeks)
• "I've Passed This Way Before," Jimmy Ruffin (11 weeks)
• "Sugar Town," Nancy Sinatra (13 weeks)
• "Tell It to the Rain," The Four Seasons (10 weeks)
• "Where Will the Words Come From?," Gary Lewis & the Playboys (9 weeks)

Recent and new on the chart:

"Sit Down, I Think I Love You," The Mojo Men

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"Everybody Needs Somebody to Love," Wilson Pickett

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"Ups and Downs," Paul Revere & The Raiders

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"The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

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"The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)," Harpers Bizarre

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(#13 US; #4 AC; #34 UK; written by Paul Simon, originally recorded by Simon & Garfunkel)


And new on the boob tube:

• The Ed Sullivan Show, Season 19, episode 23
• The Monkees, "Monkees at the Circus"
• The Rat Patrol, "The Holy War Raid"
• The Invaders, "Vikor"
• Batman, "The Joker's Last Laugh"
• Batman, "The Joker's Epitaph"
• Star Trek, "Space Seed"
• That Girl, "What Are Your Intentions?"
• The Green Hornet, "Trouble for Prince Charming"
• The Wild Wild West, "The Night of the Brain"
• Tarzan, "Mask of Rona"
• The Time Tunnel, "Pirates of Deadman's Island"
• Hogan's Heroes, "Everyone Has a Brother-in-Law"
• The Man from U.N.C.L.E., "The Hula Doll Affair"
• The Avengers, "The Winged Avenger"
• Mission: Impossible, "Snowball in Hell"
• Get Smart, "Smart Fit the Battle of Jericho"

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Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki pages for the month or year.

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Yeah, but George wasn't rumored to be dead.

But as Fly-on-the-Wall Listening reveals, Paul was very much alive and flubbing his lyrics.

 

[RJDiogenes]

American researchers discover the Madrid Codices by Leonardo da Vinci in the National Library of Spain.

Misfiled under "Vinci, Leonardo da."

"Sit Down, I Think I Love You," The Mojo Men

Worst pickup line ever.

"Everybody Needs Somebody to Love," Wilson Pickett

Not one of his greatest hits.

"Ups and Downs," Paul Revere & The Raiders

Kinda catchy.

"The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

They should have played up that mirage metaphor like they were starting to at the end.

"The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)," Harpers Bizarre

And here's my favorite song of all time-- either the S&G or Harpers Bizarre version will do.

But as Fly-on-the-Wall Listening reveals, Paul was very much alive and flubbing his lyrics.

Or was Rollin flubbing while Paul recovered from the failed assassination attempt?

 

[DarrenTR1970]

"Sit Down, I Think I Love You," The Mojo Men

Written by Stephen Stills and produced by Van Dyke Parks, shortly after his falling out with Brian Wilson during the 'SMiLE' sessions. There's a demo with just Stephen Stills on guitar floating around on one of my 'Nuggets' collections.

The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)," Harpers Bizarr

Jump (2001 Remaster) - YouTube

Speaking of influencing - This song by Andy Partridge of XTC came about while playing around with the chords to '59th Street Bridge Song'. He even sings a little of the song at the outro.

When you start reaching, you don’t ness around. When I said the Monkees weren’t important enough for me to hate, I wasn’t just trying to insult them. I was simply stating a fact. They would need to earn my respect before earning my hate. But even if I did respect them, I don’t see any reason to hate them.

You really should listen to either 'Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd.' or their 2015 album 'Good Times', the latter of which is far better than it should have any right to be.

 

[The Old Mixer]

50 Years Ago This Week

February 13 – The 1972 Winter Olympics closed in Sapporo. The Soviet Union had the most medals (16) and most gold medals (8), followed by East Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and the United States.

February 14

• A week before his visit to Beijing, President Nixon removed restrictions on American exports to the People's Republic of China, which had been in place for more than 20 years.
• In the USA, John Lennon and Yoko Ono begin a five-day week hosting The Mike Douglas Show, with Douglas, live on American television. There is live music every night, including one session with John and Yoko and their newly recruited back-up band Elephant's Memory, playing with John's teenage idol Chuck Berry.
• The animated TV special The Lorax by Dr. Seuss first aired on CBS.

February 15

• U.S. Patent No. 3,641,591 was granted to inventor Willem J. Kolff for the first artificial heart.
• President of Ecuador José María Velasco Ibarra is deposed for the fourth time.
• The United States granted copyright protection, for the first time, to sound recordings. Previously, only the written musical and lyrical compositions could be protected from reproduction.
• Using the technology that would be introduced in 1980 for closed captioning, the ABC television network and the National Bureau of Standards demonstrated the results to students at Gallaudet College (the most prestigious U.S. college for deaf and hearing-impaired students, now Gallaudet University). The closed captioning, visible with decoding equipment, was embedded within the television signal for the ABC police drama The Mod Squad.

February 16 – John and Yoko co-host The Mike Douglas Show...the musical jam with Chuck Berry occurring during this edition.

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February 17 – The Volkswagen Beetle broke the record for the most popular automobile in history, as the 15,007,034th Beetle was produced. Between 1908 and May 26, 1927, a total of 15,007,033 Model Ts had been produced.

February 18 – The California Supreme Court voids the state's death penalty, commuting all death sentences to life in prison.

February 19

• The TV show All in the Family first aired what became its most famous episode, which ended with black musician Sammy Davis, Jr. giving a kiss on the cheek to America's most popular bigot, Archie Bunker.
• Asama-Sansō incident: Five United Red Army members break into a lodge below Mount Asama, taking the wife of the lodge keeper hostage.

Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:

1. "Without You," Nilsson
2. "Let's Stay Together," Al Green
3. "Hurting Each Other," Carpenters
4. "Precious and Few," Climax
5. "Never Been to Spain," Three Dog Night
6. "Down by the Lazy River," The Osmonds
7. "American Pie," Don McLean
8. "Joy," Apollo feat. Tom Parker
9. "The Lion Sleeps Tonight," Robert John
10. "Everything I Own," Bread
11. "Sweet Seasons," Carole King
12. "Day After Day," Badfinger
13. "Anticipation," Carly Simon
14. "Brand New Key," Melanie
15. "Black Dog," Led Zeppelin
16. "Don't Say You Don't Remember," Beverly Bremers
17. "Stay with Me," Faces
18. "Bang a Gong (Get It On)," T. Rex
19. "Clean Up Woman," Betty Wright
20. "Sunshine," Jonathan Edwards

22. "The Way of Love," Cher
23. "My World," Bee Gees
24. "Fire and Water," Wilson Pickett
25. "Floy Joy," The Supremes
26. "Drowning in the Sea of Love," Joe Simon
27. "Heart of Gold," Neil Young
28. "Scorpio," Dennis Coffey & The Detroit Guitar Band
29. "You Are Everything," The Stylistics

31. "Footstompin' Music," Grand Funk Railroad
32. "Ain't Understanding Mellow," Jerry Butler & Brenda Lee Eager
33. "Feeling Alright," Joe Cocker

35. "Jungle Fever," The Chakachas

38. "Mother and Child Reunion," Paul Simon

42. "Levon," Elton John

45. "Runnin' Away," Sly & The Family Stone
46. "I Gotcha," Joe Tex
47. "Talking Loud and Saying Nothing, Part 1," James Brown
48. "Make Me the Woman That You Go Home To," Gladys Knight & the Pips
49. "Rock and Roll Lullaby," B. J. Thomas

62. "Roundabout," Yes
63. "Iron Man," Black Sabbath

67. "Slippin' into Darkness," War

69. "Diamonds Are Forever," Shirley Bassey

84. "A Horse with No Name," America

89. "Taurus," Dennis Coffey & The Detroit Guitar Band

Leaving the chart:

• "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)," The Hillside Singers (12 weeks)
• "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)," The New Seekers (11 weeks)
• "Sugar Daddy," Jackson 5 (10 weeks)

New on the chart:

"Taurus," Dennis Coffey & The Detroit Guitar Band

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(#18 US; #11 R&B)

"A Horse with No Name," America

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(#1 US the weeks of Mar. 25 through Apr. 8, 1972; #3 AC; #3 UK)


And new on the boob tube:

• Hawaii Five-O, "Good Night, Baby--Time to Die!"
• Adam-12, "Sub-Station"
• The Brady Bunch, "Cindy Brady, Lady"
• The Partridge Family, "Promise Her Anything, But Give Her a Punch"
• The Odd Couple, "A Night to Dismember"
• Love, American Style, "Love and the Alibi / Love and the Instant Father / Love and the Lovely Evening / Love and Lover's Lane / Love and the Split-Up"
• All in the Family, "Sammy's Visit"
• The Mary Tyler Moore Show, "You Certainly Are a Big Boy"
• Emergency!, "Brushfire"
• Mission: Impossible, "Casino"

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Timeline entries are quoted from the Wiki pages for the month or year and Mark Lewisohn's The Beatles Day by Day, with minor editing as needed.

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Worst pickup line ever.

But what about the song?

Written by Stephen Stills and produced by Van Dyke Parks, shortly after his falling out with Brian Wilson during the 'SMiLE' sessions.

Yeah, I'd read that Buffalo Springfield originally recorded it, and just listened to their version--quite a different arrangement.

This song came to my attention for having been one of the tracks on the esteemed Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965–1968 compilation.

Not one of his greatest hits.

Nor distinctive enough from the Solomon Burke original.

Kinda catchy.

It's got that Raiders sound, but that's all I can remember about it when I'm not listening to it.

They should have played up that mirage metaphor like they were starting to at the end.

Pleasant but low-key as Miracles singles go.

And here's my favorite song of all time-- either the S&G or Harpers Bizarre version will do.

Really!?! You like it more than "Massachusetts"?

Or was Rollin flubbing while Paul recovered from the failed assassination attempt?

Well, if you're gonna go with Paul Is Dead lore, he was supposed to have been killed in an auto accident.

 

[RJDiogenes]

President of Ecuador José María Velasco Ibarra is deposed for the fourth time.

Way to hang in there.

The United States granted copyright protection, for the first time, to sound recordings. Previously, only the written musical and lyrical compositions could be protected from reproduction.

I never knew this. So none of those old radio shows, like The Shadow, had copyright protection? That's pretty remarkable.

The TV show All in the Family first aired what became its most famous episode, which ended with black musician Sammy Davis, Jr. giving a kiss on the cheek to America's most popular bigot, Archie Bunker.

The first same-sex, interracial, cross-religious kiss on TV.

"Taurus," Dennis Coffey & The Detroit Guitar Band

It must have been so embarrassing to forget the words like that. I like the title, though.

"A Horse with No Name," America

Good song, and they're going to get much better soon.

But what about the song?

Meh. I just listened to the Buffalo Springfield version and it sounds better, but the lyrics are still dopey.

Really!?! You like it more than "Massachusetts"?

Yeah. "Massachusetts" would be in my top ten (although I've never thought through my top ten that deeply), but there are several songs above it.

Well, if you're gonna go with Paul Is Dead lore, he was supposed to have been killed in an auto accident.

That was their instructions: Make it look like an accident.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

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The Beatles released hundreds of original songs in their careers, some recorded by them, some recorded by others. Out of those hundreds of songs, a very tiny number of them received rights infringement allegations. Out of that tiny number of allegations (compared to the total number of releases), only one was an admitted cop. George always maintained that he was unaware he was infringing on a copyright, and the judge agreed with him.

Yet Lennon's statement speaks to something the judge would not know: how another person creates and their habits. Lennon was around Harrison long enough to know that the charge of swiping from "He's so Fine" was likely grounded in fact, since both--while in their former group--had swiped from the work of others.

Your allegation that Paul admitted to copyright infringement has already been debunked by the Nerys posting the rest of that conversation. But I understand your need to continue to see it the way you do.[/quote]

No, it was not "debunked," since McCartney would have no reason to even say that or address so specific a topic. What did he have to gain by saying that? Nothing, so why admit to anything, saying you nicked from the work of others. Add Lennon's statement, and there's no honest way of saying the Beatles did not swipe from others, which only makes Harrison's case weigh against him, and not in the fanciful "unaware" or "unconscious infringement" way. Harrison did not live in a cave, only emerging to make songs out of thin air.

No man, you missed the point. It wasn’t that “it’s not wrong cause lots of people do it”, it was that a google search would show you that the number of allegations alone do not equal “guilty.” Allegations of copyright infringement are common.

And? Whether it happens 5 times in a century or every 5 seconds per day, its still an utterly unethical act.

When you start reaching, you don’t ness around. When I said the Monkees weren’t important enough for me to hate, I wasn’t just trying to insult them. I was simply stating a fact. They would need to earn my respect before earning my hate. But even if I did respect them, I don’t see any reason to hate them.

Again, the nature of your posts stand in opposition to what you've posted above, and in the quote I responded to the other day.

Well, beats the heck out of being tied to a chair and forced to listen to Sara Smile on a loop.

Geeze. Compared to watching Saved by the Bell and Two Broke Girls in a loop, getting mauled by a grizzly wielding a chainsaw would seem like the preferable experience.

Yeah, Richard Berrry, ouldn’t think of that name to save my life last night. Thanks.

What? That was Berry as in Chuck and Richard as in "Little Richard".

Yes, I agree with most of what you say about Elvis. He benefitted greatly from being white, because if he’d been Black, the Elvis story would have gone a different way.

But Elvis was not a feaux hand, he was…blah blah blah.

If you are as consciously constructed, propped up, sewn together, and vacuumed the songs, singing style, approach to interpreting songs, dance moves and just about everything else (except his Herculean drug use, which he needed no other artist's influence to engage in that), you are a fraud--the biggest in the music industry's history.

Starting to repeat myself and so are you, which means that for me, this concludes this latest session of Monkees important(Monkees

Suits me!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You really should listen to either 'Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd.' or their 2015 album 'Good Times', the latter of which is far better than it should have any right to be.

Its almost a universal belief that The Monkees' best albums were those after they took full control of their recording (IOW, after Don Kirshner was fired after the release of the 2nd album, More of the Monkees). Great music and far more mature than the Boyce & Hart material.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Elvis was not recruited as an actor to play the part of “Elvis”in a TV show called “Elvis,” as the Monkees were. There is NO comparison between the two. Back in the 60’s every act signed by a major label relieved grooming to various extents, from Elvis to the Jackson 5 and beyond, but none of those acts were created specifically to pretend to be a band on TV, like the M’s.

Maybe I'm behind on the history, but I thought Elvis came by his original style on his own. Though obviously influenced by the black culture he came in contact with. I don't think anyone came to him and said act black. Later his handlers from the recording and movies studios would move him in different directions. and make him more mainstream and safe.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I never knew this. So none of those old radio shows, like The Shadow, had copyright protection? That's pretty remarkable.

I don't know...that would be something for somebody to look into. And I wonder to what extent it would have applied to them...wasn't OTR primarily a live medium, with any recording being a secondary thing?

The first same-sex, interracial, cross-religious kiss on TV.

Maybe.

It must have been so embarrassing to forget the words like that. I like the title, though.

I didn't already have this sequel single, so score another one for ol' hobbie.

Good song, and they're going to get much better soon.

Listening to this in immersive retro context, I think I hear some Neil Young influence. And without peeking ahead, I get the impression that the Eagles are only minutes away.

Meh. I just listened to the Buffalo Springfield version and it sounds better, but the lyrics are still dopey.

I've been finding the refrain of the Mojo Men version to be quite an earworm.

Yeah. "Massachusetts" would be in my top ten (although I've never thought through my top ten that deeply), but there are several songs above it.

I'm pretty sure that you once unequivocally named it your favorite.

That was their instructions: Make it look like an accident.

Were the IMF behind it now?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Interesting article
Champion or copycat? Elvis Presley’s ambiguous relationship with black America

 

[RJDiogenes]

I don't know...that would be something for somebody to look into. And I wonder to what extent it would have applied to them...wasn't OTR primarily a live medium, with any recording being a secondary thing?

I'm really not sure how much of it was live, but there are a zillion recordings. It's weird to think that they're all public domain.

Listening to this in immersive retro context, I think I hear some Neil Young influence. And without peeking ahead, I get the impression that the Eagles are only minutes away.

You're right about Neil Young. I never thought of that before.

I'm pretty sure that you once unequivocally named it your favorite.

Certainly my favorite Bee Gees song.

Were the IMF behind it now?

No, it was the Blue Meanies. Rollin covered for Paul during his recovery, while the rest of the IMF made sure that they would never bother anyone again.

 

[Skipper]

I'm in the midst of a rewatching of Columbo and maybe I'm too savvy by now, but I'm wondering if ONE of the people accused by the Lieutenant has ever seen prison.

Indeed, each of the so-called "evidence" brought by Columbus would be demolished by a good lawyer (if it ever came to trial). A good example is "The Most Dangerous Match" where (spoilers?) where the lieutenant makes a long demonstration that the killer had to be deaf (not to hear a running car), just like the main suspect! Err, so what?

1) We already know that the suspect is deaf, why the demonstration?
2) Even if the killer had been truly deaf, he could easily have been a different person from the suspect
3) That the killer should have been deaf is just a conjecture, but there are other explanations that would fit the facts.

And really, evidence tampering. Columbo has refined this activity into an Olympic sport. In "A Stitch in Crime" Columbo on a crime scene uses the murder weapon itself to crack an egg against (he hadn't his breakfast that morning).

Usually the average response to these kinds of observations is that Columbo is not Law And Order, the really interesting thing is to see the battle of the minds and how this blue collar worker manages to bring those arrogant elitists off the pedestal. But sometimes it's too much. Never once one of these geniuses says "Ok lieutenant, let's talk in front of a lawyer, I'm shut up now." No, they all collapse in the face of evidence-that-is-not-evidence and spill the beans.

 

[J.T.B.]

One thing I will say about the Monkees: Some people reacted against them with a kind of moral outrage which was out of all proportion to the "offense" they had committed. Which was: They took a job, did their best and tried to bring some creativity to that job, and made some pretty good records and an interesting movie.

I read an interview with Michael Nesmith somewhere where he said he basically understood the reaction. When people felt they had been lied to so much by authority in the Vietnam era, he thought, they placed a premium on authenticity and reacted strongly against anything that could be labeled inauthentic. The Monkees fit some kind of inauthenticity narrative and were in the right time and place to take the brunt of that reaction.

I never knew this. So none of those old radio shows, like The Shadow, had copyright protection? That's pretty remarkable.

AIUI, radio broadcast recordings were "unpublished" audio, that is, they didn't come out on a disc etc. with a copyright date and so on. The 1972 law gave unpublished recordings 95 years from its enactment, so they are protected until 2067.

I'm in the midst of a rewatching of Columbo and maybe I'm too savvy by now, but I'm wondering if ONE of the people accused by the Lieutenant has ever seen prison.

Yes I've thought the same many times. The show was sort of a fantasy, that way.