Especially Beltran. The guy is kind of an asshole. Wang at least is a likeable and engaging guy, despite his (lack of) acting ability.
The cardassian union in discovery?
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Especially Beltran. The guy is kind of an asshole. Wang at least is a likeable and engaging guy, despite his (lack of) acting ability.
They were going to get rid of Garret Wang for season 4, that's why Harry got infected by Species 8472 in Scorpion. But then People magazine named Garrett Wang one of the most beautiful people on TV, and Jennifer Lien got fired instead.
Aren't some of them based on a design from TNG?
It was an illusion from Klingon religion conjured by a conman, that Picard found unimpressive and insulting, in an episode that was explicitly about how gods don't exist - being used to create a fantasy style "monster race" in a crap video game, which clearly does not understand Star Trek isn't "Chariots of the Gods", and does not ascribe to that kind of dross.
Thankfully STO has nothing to do with Star Trek beyond it's name, and isn't even B-canon in most people's minds - more like Z-canon.
Thankfully STO has nothing to do with Star Trek beyond it's name, and isn't even B-canon in most people's minds - more like Z-canon.
I can't help but be reminded of TNG:Sub Rosa.
I was surprised we never got a Cardassian first contact story in Enterprise. I'm sure they'd have done it if it hadn't been cancelled.
Discovery's format is different from "alien of the week", but there's no reason they couldn't include meeting the Cardassians should they wish.
Discovery's format is different from "alien of the week", but there's no reason they couldn't include meeting the Cardassians should they wish.
I always figured contact with the Cardassians occurred either in the late 23rd or early 24th century.
Maybe, but not necessarily.
There have been many "one-off" races on TOS and TNG who were commonly known to The Federation in one particular episode, but never spoken of again in other episodes. So (conversely and expanding upon that idea) just because TOS never spoke of Cardassians, that does not necessarily mean that they were unknown to them.
I'm on record as not wanting old species to return, in order to leave lot's of room for new never before seen species.
However, if the Cardassians were to have an entirely different culture, more poetic and spiritual, that would be interesting.
But the Klingon demon wasn't created by the conwoman, only impersonated by her.
Your statement doesn't take into account the Vulcan religion, Klingon religion, Bajoran religion ... oh and the Human religion.
I'd place STO third after prime universe and old FASA, so "C-canon."
STO is well before the Abrams-verse.
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It was a teaser. And it was rushed.
Teaser trailers never have finished VFX - even full trailers for blockbusters rarely have finished effects.
And you do have to wait have in order to judge it properly, otherwise you have no legitimate argument.
Has there been a rumour that this is happening?
Human-like and humanoid are not the same thing. Humanoids like the Klingons and Hirogen are okay, what I don't aliens who are just humans with a hair pin like we got on TNG & Voyager.
A few non-humanoid, totally alien beings would be great too.
Do you mean you don't think it belongs in Star Trek or you don't think the producers have the imagination to do it?
What is STO?
Star Trek online
Thank you.
Human-looking aliens are never a deal-breaker for me when it comes to my enjoyment of Star Trek or similar style shows and films.
Similarly, totally alien-looking aliens in of themselves are not necessarily a deal "maker" either. What I mean is that just because some production designer makes a cool-looking/non-human looking alien for a TV show or film, that does not necessarily increase the potential for me to enjoy that TV show or film.
I want good stories, and those stories do not necessarily NEED to be accompanied by ultra-imaginative character designs. They could, but it isn't a requirement for me.
For example, in the original stage production of The Elephant Man, the actor playing the titular role did not wear any makeup nor prosthesis in order to show the audience that his character was grotesquely disfigured -- i.e., the actor looked just like any other man. This gave the story-tellers the ability to get their story across to the audience without that audience being distracted by the actor's makeup.
I'm also reminded of an Asimov novel (I can't remember which, but it might have been Nightfall) that takes place on a totally alien world, but Asimov writes the story as if the main characters (who are ostensibly NOT human-like) are actually human-like.
Asimov includes a "disclaimer" of sorts in the forward to the story explaining that even though he writes the story as if the beings on this planet were human-like or humanoid, they were actually NOT anything like humans -- but for the sake of not cluttering the story with unnecessary expositions and descriptions of how alien they are, and how alien their everyday actions are.
Asimov instead simply applied the story he wanted to tell to how it would be told if the beings were human-like, and lived in human-like cities, and got around in human-like ways, and had lives that were very human-like in general. He does this for ease of story-telling and to actually make the story he is telling more important than the irrelevant details of what the beings looked like.
Similarly, I've never really cared that TOS aliens are often very human-like. I actually didn't mind the simplistic nature of the makeup effects in TOS Let this be Your Last Battlefield, which could be said was one of the least imaginative ideas for an alien -- i.e., putting a line bisecting them as black one one side but white on the other.
However, the simplistic art design for the characters of Bele and Lokai made it even easier to actually get the point of the story across (no matter how heavy-handed that point may have been). Sure, that point that was being made about the back-on-the-left versus black-on-the-right was a bit simplistic once it was pointed out -- but that simplicity was what made the story better. What I mean is that they did not need to expend a lot of words and time explaining the difference between the warring races. That gave the story-tellers much more time to just get on with the making the story point they wanted to make about that difference.
In fact, the very subtlety in the difference between the two warring races WAS THE POINT of the story. That is to say that Kirk, Spock, et al. did not even realize that there even WAS a difference between them.
It reminds me of Gulliver's Travels (which could be called a science fiction book) in which the people of Lilliput warred with each other over which side of an egg to crack -- as if the whichever side mattered at all. Swift intentionally made the point of the conflict to be an overly simplistic idea in order to underscore the absurdity of it all.
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I didn't say "ultra-imaginative". I was talking about simple imagination.
The crew working on the Original Series had imagination coming out the waa-zoo - they had little budget and resources and still were a million times more creative than anyone on TNG and Voyager who had massive resources and millions in budget and it was all hair pins and spots. It was just plain lazy.
That's fine -- I wasn't rebutting your quote, but mainly including it as a starting point for my post.
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