It looks to me like the Borgs are immortal. It takes seconds to revive them after years in the vacuum of space.
The BORG, and the Lost potential
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It looks to me like the Borgs are immortal. It takes seconds to revive them after years in the vacuum of space.
The Borg are mentioned in all four movies. Picard's damage is reexamined after Robert and Rene die with a dark Guinan becoming a cautionary tale of Picard. He gains traction with Picard because he is distracted by Robert and Rene.
The second movie, there is Ahab trying to massacre the Borg after he relives his experiences six years ago.
Picard is stressed because of the Borg and Dominion losses have kept Picard from why he's in space.
And, without his Borg damage, Shinzon is never a mirror. Shinzon even mentions the Borg in the scene he says he's a dark mirror of Picard.
They hung over every movie. It was not an imminent threat to the Federation, but his damage by the Borg is in almost every scene.
The second movie, there is Ahab trying to massacre the Borg after he relives his experiences six years ago.
Picard is stressed because of the Borg and Dominion losses have kept Picard from why he's in space.
And, without his Borg damage, Shinzon is never a mirror. Shinzon even mentions the Borg in the scene he says he's a dark mirror of Picard.
They hung over every movie. It was not an imminent threat to the Federation, but his damage by the Borg is in almost every scene.
And there is a lost opportunity: what if becoming Borg would have its benefits. Never alone again, instant access to vast knowledge, experiences, and sensory impressions impossible for mere individuals or living ever happily after in an unimatrix zero dreamscape.
The Borg would be either a lure - the Nonplusultra for dedicated explorers and hedonist - and the Federation’s antithesis: a consumer’s utopia.
The Borg were much more likely to have these benefits before they decided to put a crazy bitch at the top and turn them into unaware zombies.
They changed them from a kind of mental democracy (still scary though) to the most hateful of dictatorships.
I would more describe it initially starting out as a super organism. (think I mentioned that in this thread before)
Well, then they devolved (and not de-evolved thank you!) from a super-organism to a crazy bitch centric organism...
Plus I don't get why they (the writers) think that it should automatically be a female at the top, because of the beehive analogy? That's just stupid. The only reason the queen of a beehive is a female is that it's she that lays all the eggs of the swarm and other than that she doesn't have any particular power over the hive. These people are idiots. They're being sexists without even realizing it, involuntary arguing that the females of every species in the galaxy have something inherently superior to the males. You don't solve sexism by replacing an injustice by the opposite one.
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Whatever...
This whole post of yours is devoid of any logic whatever. The assumption that you know the hearts and minds of the writers is ludicrous. Drop it.
1. It doesn’t matter if it’s a male or a female at the top. Toss a coin.
2. It’s easier to hate a female as a surrogate mommy figure or unattainable lay, especially by a predominantly male, often socially awkward, viewership.
3. A queen fit better to sexually tempt Data and Picard in FC.
4. A queen fits the ant-farm analogy with drones serving a central female figure. Ants do it because only the queen has a uterus; Borg because the queen is a hive-mind switchboard. Maybe in a future iteration the switchboard will be male. Vive la différence.
2. It’s easier to hate a female as a surrogate mommy figure or unattainable lay, especially by a predominantly male, often socially awkward, viewership.
3. A queen fit better to sexually tempt Data and Picard in FC.
4. A queen fits the ant-farm analogy with drones serving a central female figure. Ants do it because only the queen has a uterus; Borg because the queen is a hive-mind switchboard. Maybe in a future iteration the switchboard will be male. Vive la différence.
The one where Janice Rand is assaulted.
The one where Troi is in a caring field and out of uniform for a great deal of the series, overly emotional and has a mother that annoys Picard with...emotion.
The one where an actress left the show over sexist concerns.
The one where Jeri Ryan and Jolene Blalock were in cat suits.
The one where Star Trek used green animal women in 2005.
The poster may or may not have a point, but Star Trek has a lot to do with sexism.
I'm out like Worf on Risa.
Because it’s the character we know? Later played by the actress who originated it? Hell, she died in FC. That should have changed the Borg completely, but because it’s VOY, we got reset button and, what, clones?
Also, if anything, it’s misogynistic to make the new Borg mouthpiece a woman, the ENT Sphere Builders all women, *others. Why are all the villains girls?
(*The Female Changeling is iffy. Initially she was a temptation for Odo to remain home (though why even make females among the “drops of the ocean” Changelings is puzzling, but I guess they couldn’t have it be an asexual character played by a man or it’d be too “gay”). Then she returns as head evil Changeling because she’s more temptation for Odo anti Kira, and because she’s a familiar face to the audience.)
When I asked about the time zone, I meant that literally.
Whether or not those other examples are sexist is not relevant.
The character was established, popular, and so adapted to the Voyager storyline. Since Voyager had a Borg main character, it made sense to bring her back. Perhaps the upcoming Voyager reboot should introduce a Borg king to quell this new criticism.
There's a reasonable answer to all this that is readily available: Villains who happen to be female are not examples of sexism(or misogyny). This is the kind of thing that makes words like sexist lose all meaning.
The Borg Queen is some sort of protocol for the Borg who is assembled when a nonborg person is interacting with them. It seems she can be assembled anywhere, since she is destroyed in all 4 appearances(actually 5, if you include BoBW). If anything it is the Borg Queen who is asexual.
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Not in FC, but in all her other appearances, she's pretty devoid of sexualityIf the Borg Queen was supposed to come off as asexual, I don't think it worked very well.
One would think Jeri Taylor who wrote an interesting asexual episode like "The Outcast" could gear her writing staff how to write the Borg? Voyager could've explored the Borg's asexual nature and why it would be important to choose a sex or not... maybe being asexual is as unique and wonderful as a female or a male? But Voyager seemed to be too stuck on TNG-lite, Data episodes like the Doctor wanting a family or falling in love with a female Data of the show 7 of 9. Star Trek pushing certain stories has been benchmark for it's franchise, sad I haven't seen that for a very long time.
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