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The Blu-Ray movie collection

framing for widescreen TV

TNG was SHOT for fullscreen. It wasn't till the 90s that TV shows BEGAN to frame

QUANTUM LEAP that indicated they had started 'protecting' the frame via framing for future widescreen by the third season or so

Thanks for the info.
I guess the first 2 seasons of "Quantum Leap" they did this:

Universal HD is premiering the series "Quantum Leap" for 2006
It has been re-mastered in 1080i from the original negatives and reframed in 16x9 exclusively for the Universal HD audience."
http://feelinglistless.blogspot.com/2006/02/quantum.html


Quantum Leap: Reformatted to fit your WIDESCREEN TV
they were showing this in Widescreen (no pillarboxing). The image had been cropped (probably mostly from the bottom).

This has gone pretty far off topic. I'll stop here.
 
I think it's sad that some exec who fidgeted in his seat in 1982 and demanded that the director cut 3 or 4 minutes from TWOK---"maybe the part with the kid or the doctor and the pointy eared guy arguing'----gets HIS version of TWOK for all-time in all formats and the writer/director doesn't !!

For all we know they were the ones responsible for cutting out that Saavik was half-Romulan as well. Wow that saved 19 seconds of screen time.

The only stuff that I know the Paramount guy was pissed over was the terrible Eden cave shot, and that wasn't even cut!

As far as I know, BENNETT is the guy who cut the movie down from 129 minutes to 113 (that's what MAKING OF ST 2 indicates), so put the blame where it is due.

And yeah, cutting the Rom thing is horrible, not just for itself, but for what it let Nimoy do to fuck up the Saavik character in the next one.


Well, I thought Bennett and Meyer mostly agreed on the cut down from 129 to 116+ (the director's cut length) and the studio guys forced the final 3 1/2 minute cut down to 113. But Meyer in the new commentary says he fought them hard on the final cuts but lost. Don't know if the romulan heritage cut was one of the last ones but I'm pretty sure they felt they couldn't reinsert it AFTER 1984 when they changed her character to a stoic full Vulcan.

But in any event, i hope we get the Director's cut within two years and I hope they bother to go into their vaults and find the deleted/extended scenes & alternate takes.

I won't ever buy these movies again until they release the Director's cuts in blu-ray.
 
You won't see TNG TV series on blu-ray for many years if ever. If you do it will be in the original 1:33 to 1 ratio.

The TNG movies will likely be out this fall.
 
All Trek series prior to Enterprise were filmed and framed for Full Screen. That is how they should continue to be presented; no need to compromise the image just to squeeze it onto a TV with a different shape. Pillarboxing is correct and appropriate for these shows, preserving the original presentation while sacrificing absolutely nothing.
 
Having just gone through my set of the Blu-Rays, I'm very happily surprised at the content. The only aspect keeping this from being a 4 or 5 star review is the fact that only the theatrical versions are available. Blu-Ray is specifically made to hold a great deal more data than any prior video or DVD format. Aside from the issues regarding the new effects of the director's cut of TMP, there's little reason (other than monetary) for Paramount to hold back the extended cuts. Seamless branching, used so successfully on the TOS first season set, would work equally well here.

The Motion Picture is another story, since the new effects were rendered for lower resolution and it will take time and, of course, money to rerender them. We can expect to see a Director's Edition release on BD in the near future, I'm sure. However, this does not excuse the lack of the inclusion of the extended TV cut put out on video.

Having said that, it is an amazing thrill having the theatrical cuts of The Motion Picture, and The Undiscovered Country on disc for the first time ever. TUC was NEVER seen in this version since its original release and until today, I had totally forgotten how good a film it was. Many fans enjoy the additional scenes, but I always felt they brought the film down some. The scenes were obvious and amped up the silliness fact in a film that very much needed to be played straight. The two video versions really brought the maturity level of the story down some notches.

Now, however, we once again see the film as originally released 18 years ago (oh God, it's been that long). Over the years, the film had become less enjoyable and fallen down the ranks in my personal list of favorites. None of the other had, but this one - a film I really loved in the theater - had dropped in favor. Now, having watched it again from beginning to end, I found I loved the film once more. The story is tighter and less obvious. These changes were not major, but they made an impact. This is the best movie for the cast to exit on and is once more a 4 star film to me.

The Motion Picture: it's great to see this movie in this format again, as released without alteration. However, this film is more problematic. The extended version was just a "longer cut" with some great scenes added, but none of the fat trimmed (these scenes are included in the extras). The Directors Cut was better paced and more tightly edited and also added some amazing effects to cover some of the less successful work in the picture, but they also lost bits that made the film unique which weren't "bad." Since there never actually was a "perfect" version of this film, it's vital all three versions should be made available (or maybe someone should redo the DE).

The Wrath of Kahn: again the theatrical cut and, as we all know, this film had the full restoration, presumably because the master elements needed it badly while the other films were fine. I'll comment on picture shortly, but let's just say this is a fantastic presentation of the movie.

Finally The Search for Spock, my favorite Trek film. For those who notice such things, the video versions always screwed up the opening credits. The VHS version had them replaced by "video graphics" which looked like a cheap, high school AV squad attempt to make Star Trek movie credits. The wide screen VHS and laserdiscs were much better, givings us the titles seen in the film. However, the DVDs had a "glitched" version of the titles, with the timing off badly. It's tough to explain, but if you compare the BD and the DVD opening credits, you'll see them. And since this is my all time favorite Trek film, one I saw in the theater 7 times and memorized with obsessive Trekkie abandon, you can imagine my thrill when I saw the BD version corrected the credits. Ahhhh! :-)

Okay, my impression of the picture quality. There's been a lot said about the excessive digital noise reduction Paramount slathered on the films. I was expecting some bad stuff when I fired up my 52 inch HDTV. You know what I got? An amazing picture - every time. The level of sharpness and clarity to these films is a revelation! I had NEVER seen these films looking so amazingly sharp and detailed. The Wrath of Kahn, which - as noted - got the real restoration, is very nice, but I didn't notice a huge difference between this restoration and the other films. Mostly, I noticed the print was a little darker than prior prints and the other films. The blacks do hold up well on BD, better than on HD-DVD, to my surprise.

I have read that those who watch the movies on HUGE screens will notice the DNR, I have to say that my 52 inch, which I sit 6 to 8 feet away from, does not reveal any obvious dullness. And, really, I would assume the great majority of people don't go much larger than 52 inch (unless you have a mansion and more money than God). Honestly, I have no issues with the picture quality, and can wholeheartedly give the picture a thumbs up.

The sound is also extremely impressive. The dialog is not lost among the music and sound effects, like so many other HD presentations. The muddiness in much of Kahn and The Search for Spock is not as strong, and the music score for the films never sounded so good.

The subtitles for various alien languages are, however, disc generated, not embedded in the films. So the "species centric" fonts are lost (and, I guess, really doesn't make these true theatrical cuts). However, they are not obviously bad or "video titles" and won't stand out to people not that familiar or who don't care.

To sum up: the only disappointment is in the fact that there's plenty of room for all versions of the films, either side by side or through branching, so (aside from the DE of TMP), there's no reason to have left them out. Having all versions would justify the price tag of this double or triple dip. Especially since you know Paramount will release these again with these versions included.

Otherwise, it's a great set. The theatrical cuts are the versions I fell in love with and it's great to have them back. The picture is outstanding, with refreshing sharpness and clarity, while the sound mix is comfortable and satisfying.

5 stars for the presentation
Subtract 2 stars for leaving out the alternate versions.

For fans of the original cuts, this is an essential set. It's up to you to decide if you want to hold out for the next and probably more complete release of these films. :techman:
 
There's been a lot said about the excessive digital noise reduction Paramount slathered on the films. I was expecting some bad stuff when I fired up my 52 inch HDTV. You know what I got? An amazing picture - every time. The level of sharpness and clarity to these films is a revelation!

The fact that the DNR is so noticeable just on the frame blowups posted here makes me think that you may have your sharpness set a little low. That's the only way I can imagine you have a set like that and wouldn't be bothered by the mushiness on the faces and the non=edge parts of the image.

There are certain films I have to set the brightness down by about 30 points (NEMESIS screams to mind) in order to not laugh at CGI. I'm thinking that when I get round to testing for blu-ray, I'll find that I need to take sharpness down by about 50 percent to make these TREK images seem okay (which kinda defeats the purpose of having something in blu-ray for me.)
 
I just watched The Wrath of Khan blu-ray and I was not particularly impressed with the picture quality. I didn't notice any jarring color issues as I feared but the sharpness is not up to par. It's better than the DVD of course but I know Paramount could have done a lot better... and they just might when then get around to "special edition" blu-rays. I can't complain about the audio but I only have stereo speakers.

I'll rent TUC next. Apparently they did a better job on that one.
 
The fact that the DNR is so noticeable just on the frame blowups posted here makes me think that you may have your sharpness set a little low. That's the only way I can imagine you have a set like that and wouldn't be bothered by the mushiness on the faces and the non=edge parts of the image.

Nope, got the sharpness all the way up. I just don't see it and compared to the DVDs, there's a huge clarity improvement. Maybe when the second release of BDs comes out without the DNR, I'll whack my forehead and realize how much clarity was missing. But really, I'm very pleased with the picture and have had no issues. I seem to make out the facial details pretty well, actually. Plus, scenes which take place outdoors, like the beginning of Star Trek V in Yosmite, are really gorgeous.

I dunno, maybe my eyes aren't set up like some folks. I've read reviews going both ways, so I'm not totally nuts. Or at least not the only one who might be totally nuts...

Star Trek VI, BTW, is really amazing looking, no doubt because it's the most recent.
 
I don't plan on getting any of the TOS films on Blu-Ray unless they're the Extended/Director's cuts (where applicable). I certainly don't want the theatrical cut of TMP.

Realistically when do you think Paramount will be releasing the next round of Blu-ray special editions of the feature films?


Generations & First Contact were released on DVD in 1998

Insurrection was released on DVD in 1999 and Sp.Collectors Edition in 2005.


Star Trek Movie set
was released in 2005 with all of the feature films throught Nemesis (2002) all as Special Collector Editions.

That gave them 3 years between the last film Nemesis (2002) and the collectors edition (2005)/Movie set.
The longest delay was with the First Contact & Insurrection DVD & Special Collectors Edition being 6 years.

Babaganoosh do you think Paramount will follow suit after 2009 when the TNG films are released tentatively in Q4? start on Special Collectors Editions on Blu-ray in 2010 spaced out over 3-5 years?
 
Realistically when do you think Paramount will be releasing the next round of Blu-ray special editions of the feature films?
No earlier than circa Star Trek XII, I'd expect.

Babaganoosh do you think Paramount will follow suit after 2009 when the TNG films are released tentatively in Q4? start on Special Collectors Editions on Blu-ray in 2010 spaced out over 3-5 years?
The problem with doing Special Collectors Editions so soon is... what makes them special? The original releases were bare-bones affairs, while the SCEs were filled with extras, had the directors' cuts, etc. Any new SCE would pretty much just have the new cuts to differentiate them from the prior releases...
 
Editions of Blu-ray and quality of special features

The original releases were bare-bones affairs, while the SCEs were filled with extras, had the directors' cuts, etc. Any new SCE would pretty much just have the new cuts to differentiate them from the prior releases...

The Special Collectors Editions for ST:TMP, ST:IITWOK, ST:IIITSFS documentary features were not very good.
It would appear they were initally framed for 4:3 and then cropped and zoomed in for 16:9 widescreen which looks even closer than a '60 Minutes'-style talking-head interview.

Disc Two once again features the same kind of uninspired, "talking heads" featurettes we saw on the Star Trek II: CE. Don't get me wrong - there's still interesting stuff to be found here, and the interview subjects are all fairly interesting. They're also all presented in 16x9, which I appreciate. But the production quality of these featurettes again shows a real lack of both enthusiasm and basic camera skills. Once again, the camera is zoomed in too tightly on people's faces, you have shaky hand-held footage, interviews are staged with people sitting in shade against a brightly lit sky, the footage is washed out looking... etc.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews2/startrek3ce.html

STIV:TVH Collector Edition DVD actually started the better production values when it came out in 2003.

I started threads on special features wishlist for Blu-ray TNG films and Blu-ray for StarTrekXI. Hopefully by the time a special collectors Blu-ray comes out they will make some additions and update TMP,II,III featurettes in HD.
 
November 2009 release basic info

Any news on when Paramount intends to release the TNG movies on Blu-Ray?


Paramount has informed zonadvd.com launch for the next month of November 2009, a film pack with 1 to 11 and remastered Star Trek on Blu-ray format.
on sale as a DVD and Blu-ray formats:
http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=20191
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Paramount has informed zonadvd.com in Spain that will produce a pack with 7 to 11 films of the Star Trek saga in new remastered editions on Blu-ray.
http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=20135
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first mentioned here in April 2009
 
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Blu-ray Review

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier HD Movie Review
May 27, 2009
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2773/star_trek_the_final_frontier_hd_movie_review/index.html

Just as consistent as previous mixes Star Trek: The Final Frontier certainly sounds a treat. There were no problems with audio sync or dialogue. The surround mix is just a little better than previous mixes – there are a few moments of really nice 360 degree panning effects and reverb.
Overall, a very good audio mix - probably the best yet.
[TMP-V]

The second commentary is a new track, featuring Star Trek experts Michael & Denise Okuda, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman. They are gracious about what the film does right, but are honest about the “film not coming together for the audience”.
 
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