A lot of the genetic modifications that occur in that episode are very strange.
The Bad Science of Voyager
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Maybe the Voth did become humans after reaching Warp 10.
Maybe the Voth did become humans after reaching Warp 10.
True! Voth turned into a humanoid (coincidentally the one we saw in Living Witness) in a lizard suit!
^That might also explain the look of that Gorn in TOSTrue! Voth turned into a humanoid (coincidentally the one we saw in Living Witness) in a lizard suit!
As well as all the variations, as I think some have tails. Clearly the ones with no tails went to Warp 10.^That might also explain the look of that Gorn in TOS
There are the velociraptors from JW 1 and 2. The one called "blue" especially.
Oh yeah..and that could actually have been done belivably...why not just put some additional base pairs somewhere as a marker?
I think the barcode on atoms is the least of that episode's problems. Like they drill invisible needles in Janeway's face but what if she wants to scratch or something, won't she stab the needles in her hand?
Yeah, a lot of that is weirdly impractical for study. One would think that a species that can be "out of phase" with the rest could come up with better, less intrusive, equipment.
Maybe the needles aren´t just invisible...but also "out of phase"?
What ever "out of phase" is supposed to mean...
Out of phase is......
When two frequencies occurring together are opposites or don’t match up.
One is the standard, the other, the outlier.
Let’s use a real life example.
I work in the day, sleep at night.
My wife works at night and sleeps all day.
We are Out of Phase.
Now, if you have a beam of energy, it has a frequency of vibrations per second. Up, down, up down.
Another beam of the same energy and frequency appears in the same space,
But all of its Ups are down, and all its Downs are ups.
They are Out of Phase, and cancel each other out.
Like a boat race. 4 men in a boat rowing together, in phase.
2 of them start rowing in the opposite direction cancelling all the forward momentum, and the boat just twirls.
A Phase Variance would be 4 men in the boat, rowing together.
2 of them get tired and can’t keep pace exactly. They use the same number of strokes, but not on time with the others, and the boat slows. Same number of strokes, but they lose because of the Phase Variance......
When two frequencies occurring together are opposites or don’t match up.
One is the standard, the other, the outlier.
Let’s use a real life example.
I work in the day, sleep at night.
My wife works at night and sleeps all day.
We are Out of Phase.
Now, if you have a beam of energy, it has a frequency of vibrations per second. Up, down, up down.
Another beam of the same energy and frequency appears in the same space,
But all of its Ups are down, and all its Downs are ups.
They are Out of Phase, and cancel each other out.
Like a boat race. 4 men in a boat rowing together, in phase.
2 of them start rowing in the opposite direction cancelling all the forward momentum, and the boat just twirls.
A Phase Variance would be 4 men in the boat, rowing together.
2 of them get tired and can’t keep pace exactly. They use the same number of strokes, but not on time with the others, and the boat slows. Same number of strokes, but they lose because of the Phase Variance......
If they are "out of phase" then how do they hold in her face? You see what I mean? If they are "immaterial" to her hands, they should be "immaterial" to the rest of her body. It's the same thing for people going through walls... Why don't they go through the floor? The "floor" is just a wall that happens to be beneath our feet. Plus there's gravity that pulls them in that direction.
One thing I did find downright silly was the dog in "Ex Post Facto".
OK, Trek is full with human-looking aliens with different foreheads and there was actually a TNG episode which dealt with that.
But a dog at the other side of the galaxy?
Please give me a break!
If they had made the creature a six legged, four-eyes sloth or a lizard wagging its tail I could have accepted it. But a dog? No, too much of a coincident.
OK, Trek is full with human-looking aliens with different foreheads and there was actually a TNG episode which dealt with that.
But a dog at the other side of the galaxy?
Please give me a break!If they had made the creature a six legged, four-eyes sloth or a lizard wagging its tail I could have accepted it. But a dog? No, too much of a coincident.
But a dog at the other side of the galaxy?
If they had made the creature a six legged, four-eyes sloth or a lizard wagging its tail I could have accepted it. But a dog?
It was a Tribble that evolved.
I guess that it’s like a reboot.
If the translator program, running nonstop, generates an error, and cascades into more errors, a reboot would be the first thing to do.
There were so many problems with the Voth and that entire episode.
One little example is that hadrosaurs ate plants, but we see the Voth chowing down on insects chameleon style. I grant though that a lot can happen in 65 million years.
Much, much worse however, was the holodeck scene. The doctor says the last common ancestor that the Voth had with the humans was Eryops, from the Devonian - 400 million years ago. This is all wrong. Eryops was from the early Permian, about 295 million years ago. Secondly, Eryops was not the last common ancestor of "warm blooded and cold blooded organisms." Eryops was a Temnospondyl, a group which is generally considered to be related to modern day amphibians (and certainly lived like an amphibian). The common ancestor of reptiles and mammals was an amniote - probably something very small and lizard-like. Warm-blooded and cold-blooded organisms did not split apart at one time, given birds are dinosaurs and evolved endothermy separately (though I grant perhaps hadrosaurs perhaps could have been cold blooded - we don't know when warm blood evolved. Finally, the actual model shown doesn't look anything like Eyrops, but more like a primitive Synapsid ("mammal-like reptile).
One little example is that hadrosaurs ate plants, but we see the Voth chowing down on insects chameleon style. I grant though that a lot can happen in 65 million years.
Much, much worse however, was the holodeck scene. The doctor says the last common ancestor that the Voth had with the humans was Eryops, from the Devonian - 400 million years ago. This is all wrong. Eryops was from the early Permian, about 295 million years ago. Secondly, Eryops was not the last common ancestor of "warm blooded and cold blooded organisms." Eryops was a Temnospondyl, a group which is generally considered to be related to modern day amphibians (and certainly lived like an amphibian). The common ancestor of reptiles and mammals was an amniote - probably something very small and lizard-like. Warm-blooded and cold-blooded organisms did not split apart at one time, given birds are dinosaurs and evolved endothermy separately (though I grant perhaps hadrosaurs perhaps could have been cold blooded - we don't know when warm blood evolved. Finally, the actual model shown doesn't look anything like Eyrops, but more like a primitive Synapsid ("mammal-like reptile).
It would have to be before, or they'd all be dead.
I don't think they canonically said 65 million years in the script though. Just tens of millions of years.
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