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The "Arecibo reply"

Hoax. Although someone (or someones) obviously spent some time putting it together and pulling it off.
 
Too many people (especially in the UK) have come forward admitting that the crop circles were all hoaxes, simply done with a length of rope and a board.

A real ET reply would be a landing at NASA, the UN or a major capital NOT a cryptic sign in a farmer's field....
 
JustAFriend said:
Too many people (especially in the UK) have come forward admitting that the crop circles were all hoaxes, simply done with a length of rope and a board.

A real ET reply would be a landing at NASA, the UN or a major capital NOT a cryptic sign in a farmer's field....

Not that I think crop circles are "real" (I don't, at lest not as alien communication)), but I hate this critic's fall-back. "People admitted they hoaxed crop circles" is not evidence against every crop circle ever made, just like one guy admitting he made a lot of tracks over the years doesn't immediately disqualify every bigfoot sighting ever made as a hoax. Are most or all likely hoaxes? Probably, but what you're putting forth is certainly not evidence.
 
scotthm said:
FordSVT said:
what you're putting forth is certainly not evidence.
The evidence that it is a hoax is the lack of evidence that it is not.

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I'm sure it is a hoax, but, that aside, your statement sounded a lot more intelligent than it actually was and had little to do with what I said. :)
 
JustAFriend said:
A real ET reply would be a landing at NASA, the UN or a major capital NOT a cryptic sign in a farmer's field....

You say that as though it were confirmed scientific fact. :p Really now, who can say what kind of actions and responses an alien system of logic would create? And even if they were exactly like us in that regard, generally the deployment of large amounts of interceptor aircraft and AA missles would be the response to violating "secure" air space. If they have been studying us for any length of time, certianly they'd know just how finicky we are about that. ;) Best to land in the middle of no where and let us come to them. It would give us the sense of greater control and security.
 
No, from what I'm reading, we're discussing what, by human logic, would be the reply from an alien entity to our signals sent into space. Some of the crop circles are known hoaxes, but not all of them.

And then if you pull the Nazca Lines into the equation, things start to get interesting. :vulcan:

Granted, we may not be able to parse alien logic, but is that supposed to stop us from trying?
 
Don't get me wrong, I support SETI. It's the only realistic way in my opinion we'll have any proof of inteligent life out there in our lifetimes.

So yes, we should keep trying. Sorry for being a bozo, I guess I just saw crop circles and started laughing.
 
Most people do, that's why I usually wait to see how the discussion evolves when these subjects come up. ;)

Nine times out of ten, this crew usually takes it in an interesting direction. As an SF writer, I can get behind the notion of trying to think in alien logic instead of human logic, just for the intellectual exercise. :)
 
I've always thought that, if crop circles are a genuine thing, that they'd make more sense coming from time travelers than from aliens.

Seems to me it'd be a useful (and cheap) way to confirm you've shown up in the time period intended by looking for a specific pattern in a specific place. Crop cirlces have the advantage here of being around for a reletively short period of time given the medium they are drawn in.

Silly maybe, but just a thought experiment on my part.
 
TerriO said:
And then if you pull the Nazca Lines into the equation, things start to get interesting. :vulcan:
And Stonehenge, for that matter.


(Personally, I think it's a hoax)
 
MIB said:
JustAFriend said:
A real ET reply would be a landing at NASA, the UN or a major capital NOT a cryptic sign in a farmer's field....
Really now, who can say what kind of actions and responses an alien system of logic would create?
If they're trying to communicate with humans, they're doing a very poor job. Continued destruction of crops in order to 'communicate' through unintelligible markings does not seem to be very logical at all.

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scotthm said:
MIB said:
JustAFriend said:
A real ET reply would be a landing at NASA, the UN or a major capital NOT a cryptic sign in a farmer's field....
Really now, who can say what kind of actions and responses an alien system of logic would create?
If they're trying to communicate with humans, they're doing a very poor job. Continued destruction of crops in order to 'communicate' through unintelligible markings does not seem to be very logical at all.

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*shrugs*
Maybe they only want to communicate with *some* humans?
Maybe they thought it was a math test?
 
Mysterion said:
I've always thought that, if crop circles are a genuine thing, that they'd make more sense coming from time travelers than from aliens.

Seems to me it'd be a useful (and cheap) way to confirm you've shown up in the time period intended by looking for a specific pattern in a specific place. Crop cirlces have the advantage here of being around for a reletively short period of time given the medium they are drawn in.

Silly maybe, but just a thought experiment on my part.

Indeed. That would make more sense that crop circles being from aliens. However, I'd be more frightened of time travelers (and the consequences) than aliens. :lol:
 
Crop Circle Confession:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00038B16-ED5F-1D29-97CA809EC588EEDF

Circlemakers
http://www.circlemakers.org/case_history.html

Resource List:
http://www.astrosociety.org/education/resources/pseudobib03.html


Wishing for magic does not make a butterfly out of a horseshoe.

Circles are made with very easy low-tech objects (a board and rope.)

Show us something made with non-Teran isotopes or Aldeberan phsyics and we'll talk ET's, but an easily reproduced geometric pattern on the ground ain't gonna cut it....
 
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