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Whut? :wtf: :lol:

But, yes, I enjoy TAS. There are some threads on it in the TOS forum, if you wanted to drop by! :)

"The Fonz and the Happy Day Gang"

Two seasons, 24 episodes.

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I seriously loved "The Secret Life of Waldo Kitty" , same with "Lancelot Link: Secret Chimp" !
As well as TAS. I used to record the audio on my tape recorder and listen to them over and over again. The music may have been over used but it was evocative like TOS. and oddly evocative at times. It's a shame we'll never get that soundtrack.

"The electric eye, we've grown too small to make it work."
 
I seriously loved "The Secret Life of Waldo Kitty"

It was The Secret Lives of Waldo Kitty, because there were five of them. As it happens, four of them were based on characters that Filmation either had already done or would later do straight adaptations of (Batman, Star Trek, Tarzan, The Lone Ranger). If Filmation had ever done a Robin Hood series, it would've been all five.

And what a wild idea, to do a kids' cartoon inspired by The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, a book and film that I doubt many of the show's viewers were familiar with.


As well as TAS. I used to record the audio on my tape recorder and listen to them over and over again. The music may have been over used but it was evocative like TOS. and oddly evocative at times. It's a shame we'll never get that soundtrack.

Oh, yes. I dearly wish La La Land or somebody would uncover the music recording masters from all of Filmation's shows.

But I think some of them must survive. I just came across a CD at my library that's a DC 75th anniversary collection of themes from various DC shows and films over the decades, including all of John Gart's title themes from Filmation's '60s DC cartoons and the "Yvette Blais/Jeff Michael" theme from Shazam! It didn't say what the source for the music was, though.
 
I too used to record the soundtracks of TOS back in the 78-81 period! Not sure if I would have taped TAS to be honest but it was never repeated outside of the 70s, until it returned in the 90s on SKY tv and I didn't bother to video them then...
JB
 
My understanding is the master tapes no longer exist, read about this awhile ago and i cannot remember where.

There would be a digital way to remove dialogue from the audio to isolate the music, but I'm not sure about the sound effects and how that might effect the soundtrack. It would be a lot of work for what would amount to a single disc release that in the end might not sell very well.

I hate to say that because I would love to have that CD, but La-La Land still has the TOS box set available and that came out in December of 2012. Given the clamor for that music I really thought it would have sold out a long time ago. So I think the prospects for a TAS soundtrack are pretty nil.
 
But I think some of them must survive. I just came across a CD at my library that's a DC 75th anniversary collection of themes from various DC shows and films over the decades, including all of John Gart's title themes from Filmation's '60s DC cartoons and the "Yvette Blais/Jeff Michael" theme from Shazam! It didn't say what the source for the music was, though.

Turns out that the tracks on that CD aren't the clean music tracks, just the mixed main-title audio tracks with voiceovers and sound effects -- even from later shows where they should've been able to get clean audio, like the '88 Superboy and Lois & Clark. So no miraculously surviving Filmation master tapes.


There would be a digital way to remove dialogue from the audio to isolate the music, but I'm not sure about the sound effects and how that might effect the soundtrack. It would be a lot of work for what would amount to a single disc release that in the end might not sell very well.

On YouTube, you can find a collection of basically clean TAS music cues that was created by cutting together bits from various episodes where the music could be heard without sound effects or dialogue in the way. That's the advantage of the cues being reused so constantly -- there were a lot of samples of each cue to choose from. It's not perfect, and it's not comprehensive, but it's a pretty decent selection.
 
I wonder if it would be possible to re-record the music. Could if be recreated simply by listening to it and rewrite the music based on analyzing what instruments can be identified and rewrite it note by note?

I can appreciate how much work would be involved, but it would wild to hear some of that music cleanly recreated.
 
I wonder if it would be possible to re-record the music. Could if be recreated simply by listening to it and rewrite the music based on analyzing what instruments can be identified and rewrite it note by note?

Certainly. Music gets re-recorded and re-performed all the time. Consider the early Varese Sarabande and Label X releases of TOS music back in the '80s, which were new performances of the original cues. But there are always going to be differences between different recordings, due to differences in performers' and conductors' styles, the tone of the specific instruments used, the recording equipment, the studio acoustics, etc. So it wouldn't be exactly the same.
 
Certainly. Music gets re-recorded and re-performed all the time. Consider the early Varese Sarabande and Label X releases of TOS music back in the '80s, which were new performances of the original cues. But there are always going to be differences between different recordings, due to differences in performers' and conductors' styles, the tone of the specific instruments used, the recording equipment, the studio acoustics, etc. So it wouldn't be exactly the same.
Yes. I was thinking of those Varese Sarabande recordings as I have some of those albums.
 
On YouTube, you can find a collection of basically clean TAS music cues that was created by cutting together bits from various episodes where the music could be heard without sound effects or dialogue in the way. That's the advantage of the cues being reused so constantly -- there were a lot of samples of each cue to choose from. It's not perfect, and it's not comprehensive, but it's a pretty decent selection.[/QUOTE]

Great find Christopher! Thanks I always thought Ray Ellis did a great job of writing music that was in the same spirit of TOS and this link really shows that. Thanks again!
 
My understanding is the master tapes no longer exist, read about this awhile ago and i cannot remember where.

There would be a digital way to remove dialogue from the audio to isolate the music, but I'm not sure about the sound effects and how that might effect the soundtrack. It would be a lot of work for what would amount to a single disc release that in the end might not sell very well.

I hate to say that because I would love to have that CD, but La-La Land still has the TOS box set available and that came out in December of 2012. Given the clamor for that music I really thought it would have sold out a long time ago. So I think the prospects for a TAS soundtrack are pretty nil.

From what I understand, in the case of Star Trek and the Superman/Batman series, and any other series that they own, CBS/Warner Brothers owns copies of the original film and soundtracks and soundtrack elements due to Paramount and Warner Brothers buying out Filmation of any remaining rights in the 90's, including negatives, before Filmation was sold to L'Oreal, who then copied the cartoons that Filmation either made themselves, or still owned to PAL DigiBeta, and then destroyed the original film and sound tapes.

But with TAS, back in the 80's GND Crescendo records released a soundtrack album featuring the sound effects from TOS, plus there were a number of tracks on the CD from TAS, such as the sound of the Tribble Predator.
 
But with TAS, back in the 80's GND Crescendo records released a soundtrack album featuring the sound effects from TOS, plus there were a number of tracks on the CD from TAS, such as the sound of the Tribble Predator.

Yeah, but my understanding is that Filmation subcontracted its sound effects to the Horta-Mahana company. There were just a few sound-FX/mixing companies that offered the use of their proprietary sound-effects libraries to various productions. I believe Horta-Mahana actually got the rights to add the TOS sound effects to their library when they worked on TAS, which is why those sound effects ended up being used on later Filmation and other shows. So they were probably the source of the sound-FX tracks for that album.
 
On YouTube, you can find a collection of basically clean TAS music cues that was created by cutting together bits from various episodes where the music could be heard without sound effects or dialogue in the way. That's the advantage of the cues being reused so constantly -- there were a lot of samples of each cue to choose from. It's not perfect, and it's not comprehensive, but it's a pretty decent selection.

If the original tracks are lost, TAS fans are only left with one option--the same one used by Silva America with the rerecording of the presumed damaged and/or lost The Bride of Frankenstein. Some soundtrack purists resent this process, but again, when the originals are lost, what can you do? Particularly when fan bootlegs cannot get perfectly clean/separate tracks from the DVD audio.
 
Yeah, but my understanding is that Filmation subcontracted its sound effects to the Horta-Mahana company. There were just a few sound-FX/mixing companies that offered the use of their proprietary sound-effects libraries to various productions. I believe Horta-Mahana actually got the rights to add the TOS sound effects to their library when they worked on TAS, which is why those sound effects ended up being used on later Filmation and other shows. So they were probably the source of the sound-FX tracks for that album.

I just found the album on Memory Alpha. Apparently it was first released on LP in 1978, and then reissued on CD in 1988.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_Sound_Effects

But I've seen the 1977 Batman cartoon, and while I was able to make out both effects and music from STTAS being used on that cartoon, I never heard any TOS sound effects.
 
I just found the album on Memory Alpha. Apparently it was first released on LP in 1978, and then reissued on CD in 1988.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_Sound_Effects

But I've seen the 1977 Batman cartoon, and while I was able to make out both effects and music from STTAS being used on that cartoon, I never heard any TOS sound effects.

Check the lesser known series such as Tarzan and the Super 7 (the individual segments Web Woman, Manta and Moray, etc.) The TOS sound effects were not in every episode, or every series, but they certainly not limited to TAS.
 
I just found the album on Memory Alpha. Apparently it was first released on LP in 1978, and then reissued on CD in 1988.

And I have the LP itself.


But I've seen the 1977 Batman cartoon, and while I was able to make out both effects and music from STTAS being used on that cartoon, I never heard any TOS sound effects.

I didn't say they were used in every Filmation cartoon, but they were used in places besides ST. For instance, a number of '70s and '80s cartoons used the transporter sound effect and the photon torpedo sound effect -- I think He-Man and She-Ra used them a lot. I vaguely recall some Filmation show where the main title sequence involved the credits changing in flashes of light accompanied by the torpedo sound, though I can't recall what show it was.
 
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