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[Crewman6]

If that's what enraged people, then people are either idiots that don't understand words, or are wilfully misinterpreting the intent of that statement.

What she said was correct; there is no definitive source material for Star Wars to adapt in the sense that there is for 'Harry Potter', or 'The Lord of the Rings', or 'Sherlock Holmes'. There's just what George did, and a whole bunch of licenced fan fiction that they can cherry-pick or not as they see fit, as it should me.

Also; are people really so deluded as to think that George would have treated the post-RotJ EU any differently than he did literality anything else in the EU? Do they seriously think that *anyone* at Lucasfilm, regardless of leadership, or what studio owns them would have decided to directly adapt 'Heir to the Empire', or 'Dark Empire' for the big screen? It was never going to happen, and good thing too. That would have been terrible, and a financial disaster.

Well-said.

I heard many of the same arguments (no doubt from many of the same people or at least kinds of people) about Indiana Jones!

"They need to make 'Fate of Atlantis' as a movie! That's what Indy 4/5 should have been! Grrrr! Wimmin!"

Uh, no. Not a single creative in Hollywood worth their salt would have accepted the gig of adapting a 30-year-old video game as the next Indy movie. Not one. Terrible idea that, fortunately, would never happen in the real world.

 

[Tuskin38]

"Teach / Corrupt" (Episode 6) - Episode Guide | The Acolyte

On a distant island, unsettling questions about identity and destiny arise.

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[fireproof78]

If you're a creator and you want to pepper in a few references or borrow an idea here and there, fine. But a clean slate was the best, nay, the only approach going forward.

And, dear god, if there are "fans" out there who can't grasp or get over this concept, then their childish tantrums don't even deserve to be a part of the conversation.

"It'll be better when Kennedy is gone!" Nah, it'll be better when the toxic fans are gone. Which, sadly, will be never.

This reminds me of a conversation between an older fan and a closer to my age fan on a podcast I really enjoyed that discuss how some of the disappointment with the PT was due to fans having expectations from books, and source materials and all of the people who memorized different random facts. And the older fan was like, "Dude, It's Lucas' property. They can do whatever they want and don't owe us a goddamn thing."

And I think that's part of the challenge with fandoms is that they build up their expectations, based upon their preferences, convinced that this is the way (no pun intended) to carry the franchise forward and any deviation is somehow the franchise owners being wrong. Except, regardless of fan investment, the fans are not owed anything by a franchise.

 

[Relayer1]

I was an early adopter. Splinter, Solo trilogy, Lando trilogy, long long wait for Heir to the Empire and onwards.

I read avidly for years and years. sadly it got harder and harder to keep up and by the Vong invasion I had to admit, much of it was shite. I quit.

I'm not overly impressed with most of the new stuff, but I'm mighty glad they binned the old EU.

 

[Crewman6]

This reminds me of a conversation between an older fan and a closer to my age fan on a podcast I really enjoyed that discuss how some of the disappointment with the PT was due to fans having expectations from books, and source materials and all of the people who memorized different random facts. And the older fan was like, "Dude, It's Lucas' property. They can do whatever they want and don't owe us a goddamn thing."

And I think that's part of the challenge with fandoms is that they build up their expectations, based upon their preferences, convinced that this is the way (no pun intended) to carry the franchise forward and any deviation is somehow the franchise owners being wrong. Except, regardless of fan investment, the fans are not owed anything by a franchise.

On some forum somewhere (here? Who knows??), I was griping about "Book of Boba Fett" and someone chimed in and said, "That's just because you're an old fan who read every Boba Fett book and comic out there and this show dared to do something different!"

I can't remember laughing harder at a discussion post. I've never read a single sentence of any printed Boba Fett material and you'd have to pay me to do so.

I disliked Book of Boba Fett because it was crap, plain and simple.

 

[fireproof78]

On some forum somewhere (here? Who knows??), I was griping about "Book of Boba Fett" and someone chimed in and said, "That's just because you're an old fan who read every Boba Fett book and comic out there and this show dared to do something different!"

I can't remember laughing harder at a discussion post. I've never read a single sentence of any printed Boba Fett material and you'd have to pay me to do so.

I disliked Book of Boba Fett because it was crap, plain and simple.

See, I'm the weird opposite guy who read a few Boba Fett things but generally just despised the character. Like, he would have to do something semi-tolerable to rise above my contempt for him. While Book of Boba Fett was a flawed execution, it at least gave me a better Boba Fett than the books or comics or fandom ever did.

 

[Reverend]

Possibly. The difference is that we actually know what the islands of Ahch-To look like, and they look *almost exactly* like that!
Granted, this may simply due to the fact that both this show and TLJ filmed on location in the UK, and most islands off or near the UK coast (that aren't made mostly of chalk) look pretty much like that. Nevertheless; Ahsoka managed to make the Southern California brush look like Dartmoor, so if they wanted they could certainly have made the island look more distinct.

Well that assumption aged poorly and in only a matter of hours! They've updated episode guides, and one of the points of trivia is that the "Unknown Planet" scenes were shot on location in Madeira; a Portuguese island in Macaronesia. Moreover it was also where they shot some of the Ueda exteriors, that bridge in the forest on Khofar, and one other planet they're not specifying (yet!) So from that we can surmise that 1) the similarity to Ahch-To cannot simply be chalked up to similar local geology in filming locations, 2) given Ueda was made to look quite distinct, making it look like Ahch-To may indeed of been a conscious choice. Doesn't mean it *is* Ahch-To of course; they may just have wanted to echo the imagery for thematic reasons. Oh and another reason why it's probably not Bal'demnic; if it was, why not just say-so? That name means exactly jack and squat to 90% of the audience, so why be coy about it?
To my mind the only two possible reasons why they'd bother calling it "Unknown Planet" at all is either 1) they genuinely intend it to be some nameless planet that isn't on any chart, every. Totally off the beaten path, and doesn't even have a numerical designation. Or 2) it's only unknown to the characters, and the audience would know it very well if given it's named.

Other interesting bits of trivia just released between the guide and the Databank: -

• Vern's ship is called the Cantaros, after her first (and only that we know of thus far) Padawan Imri Cantaros. It's also a Valkeri-Kuat Consolidated Enterprises VKCE-7100x Starcutter, for those that like such details. Interesting bit of world building there since Valkeri Enterprises was the company that built the Jedi Vectors of the High Republic, and Kuat (aside from being a planet) is the name of the company that would later build the prequel era jedi fighters . . . as well as a lot fo the ships and vehicles for Republic side of the Clone Wars, and later the Empire (not least of which being the Star Destroyers.) So look like Valkeri were bought out in the last century or so; more hints of the incresing power and reach of the commerce guilds. It's also noted to be an experimental design with an integrated hyperdrive, which is a rarity for this era. I'm curious as to why seperate hyperdrives are in vogue just now, since they weren't earlier, but were still a century later, at least so far fighters are concenred . . . and then right back out of vogue come the civil war and beyond.
• The little creatures on the beach are called skura.
• The Abednedo Senator is called Isedwa Chuwant, because of course it is.
• The Padawan working for Vern isn't her apprentice, and is name Mog Adana after a couple different people on the crew. One wonders how a relativly older padawan ends up working admin. Feels like it should be droid work. More hints at how buracratic the Jedi are becoming?

 

[Tuskin38]

Headland also confirmed in an interview that it isn't Ach-To. But the similarity was intentional.

Leslye Headland Says It's "So Clear" What's Going On Between Osha and Qimir in 'The Acolyte'

The Acolyte's creator Leslye Headland unpacks Episode 6, dishes on the new enemies-to-lovers ship Osha and Qimir, and teases whats to come.

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HEADLAND: It's not Ahch-To. I know it's similar, and it was intentionally supposed to be similar in terms of terrain and feeling isolated and surrounded by water and less lush green and more rocky. But the idea is that cortosis is mined on this planet, so I don't think that's the case with Ahch-To. Part of the reason this is his home base is that cortosis is a very rare metal. I don't think we say it explicitly in the show, but that's a reason it's not Ahch-To.

Was it intentional to leave it as an unknown planet, because this is a planet that hasn't been discovered by the Jedi?

HEADLAND: That’s exactly right. It's an uncharted planet that they haven't [mapped].

 

[Gepard]

What she said was correct; there is no definitive source material for Star Wars to adapt in the sense that there is for 'Harry Potter', or 'The Lord of the Rings', or 'Sherlock Holmes'. There's just what George did, and a whole bunch of licenced fan fiction that they can cherry-pick or not as they see fit, as it should me.

There's a deeper problem to her making those statements publicly, which is it's a tacit admission that Lucasfilm struggles to tell stories if they can't crib characters and ideas off of prior work. Lucasfilm seems clueless how bad the optics on some of these statements are.

Star Wars (and Indiana Jones) were influenced by old serials and sci-fi/fantasy movies, but the characters, specific stories, themes, and ideas were original. (The Hidden Fortress aside; that one was a pretty big lift.) To come out in public and say, basically, that doing what the franchise used to do all the time is hard you guys – its not a good look. Until the modern era of rampant IP adaptation, most Hollywood movies were original ideas, or at least buried their influence.

So, true as it may be there's no "original" source material to adapt – well, so fucking what. That's your job. Don't publicly advertise how difficult it is for you!

 

[fireproof78]

So, true as it may be there's no "original" source material to adapt – well, so fucking what. That's your job. Don't publicly advertise how difficult it is for you.

To quote Kirk I'd prefer honesty.

There's a deeper problem to her making those statements publicly, which is it's a tacit admission that Lucasfilm struggles to tell stories if they can't crib characters and ideas off of prior work.

So, like Lucas? Between Dune, Hidden Fortress, Flash Gordon, as well as real world politics, there was a lot of influences.

Personally, I think that Lucasfilm needs some more limits to promote that creativity, rather than constantly spending money to create the next big thing.

 

[Ithekro]

Nice to finally see a light whip on screen. Also the first on screen purple lightsaber that isn't Mace Windu's.

 

[JD]

I'm still liking the show a lot, but these episode cuts are really weird. Just like episode 4 the 6th episode felt like half an episode, but I'd argue its worse this time. The overall story and characters keep me interesting, but it feels like this whole show was cut up into chunks that the people making it didn't expect, and its hurt the show. It kind of feels like maybe it should have been a 6 episode show with longer episodes, at least it feels that way to me.

Still I'm enjoying the show a good deal and honestly think its the second best SW show after The Mandalorian, but I think being able to binge watch it all at your own pace after the show is complete is going to help the show a lot.

I agree with you on this, the last few episode endings have felt rather sudden, and kind of weird.

Well, I was wrong about the episode title mirroring but the story is better by resisting such forced constraints. This episode perfectly sets up the anticipated flashback from Mae's perspective, instead of just jumping to it after last week's devastating events.

Unsurprisingly, Qimir smoothly offers an alternative for Osha to what she thought she desired...and I loved his response to Osha's accusation of the Dark Force: "Eh, semantics." I don't know nearly enough of Star Wars lore beyond the shows and films, so while I don't know what Qimir might be, I do think he's different from just a straight-up Sith. There's something different and more nuanced to Qimir's motivations, which really appeals to me. But. I've been wrong before (...and so recently!). We'll know soon enough.

The big theory right now is that he's the first Ren and creates the Knights of Ren, and it is backed up by last week's episode which even used of some of the Kylo Ren music.

A lot of it is Kathleen Kennedy, I would expect. She fundamentally enraged the party-faithful of the fanbase by vapidly saying that "there is no source material" to draw from for new stories in the franchise like Harry Potter, for example. Her exact quote:

With literally hundreds of novels, comic books, video games and the like that have remained untapped for decades - much longer than Harry Potter, this is just a demonstrably untrue, and quite befuddling, statement. I'm not entirely sure where she thought she was coming from when she said that, but you can't un-ring that bell. I suspect that the "hate" for Disney-based Star Wars projects will abate once she steps down. She is generally perceived as someone who doesn't respect the IP and, as such, should not be its "champion".

At the end of the day, I don't really much care either way, but this is the core of the issue as I have seen it. Once she goes away, I would wager that attitudes will improve.

That makes no sense whatsoever, the books, comics, games, ect. are not source material, they're just tie ins. Why would that upset people?

 

[DigificWriter]

The big theory right now is that he's the first Ren and creates the Knights of Ren

There's no mystery as to what he is: he's a Sith Lord, and anybody pretending otherwise is just being wilfully obtuse.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was an early adopter. Splinter, Solo trilogy,

That's where I stopped.

 

[JD]

There's no mystery as to what he is: he's a Sith Lord, and anybody pretending otherwise is just being wilfully obtuse.

From what he said in the last couple episodes, it sounds like it might be more complicated than that.

 

[fireproof78]

That's where I stopped.

No one read Splinter in a Mind's Eye?

Imagine the outcry nowadays if that came out then Empire.

 

[DigificWriter]

From what he said in the last couple episodes, it sounds like it might be more complicated than that.

Both Manny Jacinto and Lesleye Headland repeatedly confirmed that he's a Sith Lord, and absolutely nothing that he says in Teach/Corrupt is in any way contradictory to that confirmation or adds any ambiguity to it.

 

[The Wormhole]

Both Manny Jacinto and Lesleye Headland repeatedly confirmed that he's a Sith Lord, and absolutely nothing that he says in Teach/Corrupt is in any way contradictory to that confirmation or adds any ambiguity to it.

You're doing it again. I mean, in this instance I actually kind of agree with you, Qimir is probably just a Sith Lord, but you're constant insistence in telling everyone who disagrees with you what's what and repeatedly reinforcing it until you're blue in the face is the real reason everyone takes so much pleasure calling you out when you get proven wrong.

Seriously, just learn to relax. People will have different interpretations of what they watch. You yourself seem to realize this given "I was just stating an opinion" is one of your favorite go-to lines when others call you out on being wrong. So what if their interpretation doesn't match yours and is indeed not actually correct? In a few weeks, the truth will come out and we all can sit back and go "so that's that." But by constantly getting in everyone's face reminding them what actors, writers or producers said (which at times can be deliberately misleading, as you should have realized in past such discussions) and going on the way you do, you're just making everyone want to get in your face in turn and point it out to you if and when you are proven wrong.

This is a two way street, you want people to respect your opinions, respect theirs.

 

[cooleddie74]

There's no mystery as to what he is: he's a Sith Lord, and anybody pretending otherwise is just being wilfully obtuse.

He might be an early Knight of Ren.

 

[Reverend]

He might be both. How do we know the Knights of Ren weren't founded by a disaffected Sith Apprentice that escaped/failed to kill his Master, and founded that jumped up biker gang of Sith wannabes?
We'll just have to wait and see.

I mean I doubt it, but it's not implausible.