Pretty much whatever is done would be another 'crappy spinoff.' Casting fresh young actors as Captain Kirk or Captain Newguy is not that big a distinction, in the end they'll make the character their own.
The abundance of ideas for a new trek show.
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I never said or implied anything of the sort. Why are you misrepresenting my post ?
I've heard every apologia for JJ Trek imaginable, and you just reached for the usual "the old stuff sucks or is no-better" argument. I have no interest in using straw-man arguments, and if you want to clarify it, please do, but left to a one-liner like that, that's how you come across, and you really should be aware of it. It's your responsibility to be concise.
A series following the hardworking but overlooked men, women and others of the Border Service, set onboard a decades old ship where ingenuity, sweat and bailwire are all that keep her together as she goes into situations most others would avoid in order to save lives.
The crew wouldn't be as cleancut as on other ships/series, all onboard for different reasons (those because of the work they do, some because no one else wants them, and others who are seeking the adventure) but all bound together under the label of "Border Dogs".
Ok so I'm more than a little bias
But I would love to see a series that isn't on the most cutting edge ship of the fleet, where the crew are more than just outstanding examples of sentients but have flaws and quirks, where the loss of a shipmate is a big deal for a closeknit community.
The crew wouldn't be as cleancut as on other ships/series, all onboard for different reasons (those because of the work they do, some because no one else wants them, and others who are seeking the adventure) but all bound together under the label of "Border Dogs".
Ok so I'm more than a little bias
But I would love to see a series that isn't on the most cutting edge ship of the fleet, where the crew are more than just outstanding examples of sentients but have flaws and quirks, where the loss of a shipmate is a big deal for a closeknit community.
JJ Trek has nothing to apologize for, its entertaining and successful and managed to bring trek back from the dead.
Just because some fans don't like how they did it doesn't mean it needs to make up for it.
Why a Enterprise?
Be nice to have a run of the mill Federation ship following up and expanding on the storys set forth in the TNG->Timeline.
See what happend to some of the planets after the Ent D left?
Mopping up after wolf 359?
Exploring the federation core worlds abit more especialy earth!
What the experiances of a rund of the mill ship in the dominion war was like?
It would be good to set it up in a semi serilised way series 4 of ENT was with the same sort of writing.
I think every Trek fan has a new show in his head, just like every SW fan has their own Prequels.
No, my comment was just that: it wasn't better before. Just different to a degree, and you prefered it back then. Hence, nostalgia.
interesting stuff, i'd also like in a series the possibilities for some characters of say andorian/vulcan origin or tellerite/coridan maybe, a series that could show xenophobia once again at the heart of the federation years and years into the future.
These are the voyages of the supply ship Monotony, its continuing mission: to deliver tricobalt ore from Betazed VI to Starbase 117, to clean out cargo holds and recalibrate transporter coils, to boldy go back and forth over and over again.
Yeah, that's inherently the problem with doing a series about an ordinary ship--they tend to do very ordinary things. Even if a Trek series did center on a non-frontline vessel, the action-adventure aspect of Trek would require it to be a hero ship nonetheless, frequently getting into dangerous combat situations and saving the Galaxy from various threats all by itself like hero ships tend to do.
I like the idea of Starfleet Academy, and honestly, we have been there, and it was very very good. Just remember the game of Starfleet Academy. It was a very good game with good plot and characters. I love that.
The story of the game was simple. The time line was happened around Star Trek II, I think. The main characters were the group of Students who faced the challenge from the mentor (Sulu, Kirk) in a bridge simulator.
But I guess, the story of the series can be expanded. Like the main characters have rival students from the Red Shirt or anything. Or maybe because the elite students Red Shirts were arrogant, the main characters group (who are actually an underdog) give their best to win the rivalry.
In the rivalry, the students will compete to use the elite Defiant Class Starship, and the loser will use the out of date Miranda or Excelsior Class Starship for the away mission. It will be fun.
The story of the game was simple. The time line was happened around Star Trek II, I think. The main characters were the group of Students who faced the challenge from the mentor (Sulu, Kirk) in a bridge simulator.
But I guess, the story of the series can be expanded. Like the main characters have rival students from the Red Shirt or anything. Or maybe because the elite students Red Shirts were arrogant, the main characters group (who are actually an underdog) give their best to win the rivalry.
In the rivalry, the students will compete to use the elite Defiant Class Starship, and the loser will use the out of date Miranda or Excelsior Class Starship for the away mission. It will be fun.
That's like saying TOS Trek won't be coming back when TNG aired. I'm sure no one saw a reboot coming then....Prime Trek isn't coming back. Nemesis and Enterprise killed Prime Trek. Instead of yelling at J.J. Abrams, yell at Rick Berman.
What do you think will happen as time progresses with the reboot and fans loose interest, a reboot reboot? I think TNG will eventually come back one way or another.
That's like saying TOS Trek won't be coming back when TNG aired. I'm sure no one saw a reboot coming then....Prime Trek isn't coming back. Nemesis and Enterprise killed Prime Trek. Instead of yelling at J.J. Abrams, yell at Rick Berman.
What do you think will happen as time progresses with the reboot and fans loose interest, a reboot reboot? I think TNG will eventually come back one way or another.
Nope. A second reboot. Maybe a TNG reboot. But when interest in the JJ reboot drops, why would they go back to Berman Trek? That's like saying when Nemesis flops they should have gone back to Shatner and Co. for another TOS movie set in the original TOS timeline.
I'd hope instead of doing a reboot of TNG or a reboot of TOS's reboot, they'd just come up with something original set in the Trek universe. Give us something we haven't seen before instead of just a facelift on something we have. Though yeah... it'll probably be a reboot as the last 20 years of movies have proven that you'll sell tickets no matter how many times you recycle the same old concept.
Unfortunately there has to be a connection with the audience, and I don't think most casual audience members would care about stuff elsewhere in the Trek universe.
Think of it this way: do you think a movie about another double-0 agent in the Bond universe could be viable in the same way as the 007 movies are, and do you think MGM wuold take that chance ?
That didn't stop them from doing DS9 and VOY, both of which were spinoffs of TNG. Indeed, the very nature of a TV spinoff is the doing of stuff elsewhere in an already established universe or setting. In fact, two of CBS' top-rated current shows--NCIS and NCIS: Los Angeles--are spinoffs of the earlier TV series, JAG.
As with all movies, it depends on the pitch and whether it appeals to the studio heads. If it's one that they like and feel can expand the franchise, yeah, they'll go for it. But I think in such a situation, the point will be made that the character isn't James Bond and will concentrate on an aspect of his universe that has rarely been seen.
Yeah that sounds almost as radical as making a series set a 100 years later than the original series with a french captain with a british accent. Good thing they never tried that, no one would realize it's not Captain Kirk and it certainly wouldn't have gotten the highest ratings of the franchise.
And yes, for the record I loved the brief mentions of other 00 agents that we too rarely got in the Bond franchise. I loved the concept of Alec Trevelyan the first time I watched Goldeneye's teaser. Thinking outside the box is a good thing. I'd love a movie about a snide, sarcastic agent who thinks 007 is a boorish oaf who gives them a bad name.
Oh, absolutely. But you have to admit that this was in an era where Trek was a bit different: you already had a spin-off on the air, and quite a bit of ratings...
...and yet look what it got them ? Both DS9 and VOY lost viewers progressively.
I'm not saying it can't work. But you have to stop thinking of what you'd like to see and think of it from the studio's perspective. The last three Trek series didn't bring in viewers like TNG did. And when you say "Star Trek", non-fans usually only think of Kirk and Spock. So again, I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it's far less likely.
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