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The absurdity of promoting Janeway to admiral

Considering what they did to Worf and Wesley I have no idea what this ruckus is about? They cut Will's scene, after a tearful reunion on some game-show where he told the gang how much he misses them... And poor Dorny! The lad goes from Ambassador to Kronos, local boy makes good, return the hero, won a fricking war, killed the old king, made the new king and everything, but some how he had degenerated into some toppled wreck cast aside left to drink himself to death in the corner of Deanna's CLOTHED wedding probably because Berman was annoyed at how much better DS9 was than his own ldinky little projects.

BacK to be being mean about janeway.

There's conflicting canon that fetching Chakotay was her first mission as Captain on her first ship (because the writing room sucks or the timelines hiccuped.) but she was put on the clock to "apprehend" (What exactly was that tri-cobolt device for? Poisoning the well after they left that what ever base or planet Chakotay was on so that it couldn't be reused by another cell, or was it simply a mission of assassination and frankly was she ordered to take out the Indian whether her tactical officer was out of harms way or no?) a terrorist cell and get back in home in under two weeks.

That is so a failing grade.

7 years is significantly longer than two weeks.

And then you consider that no matter how many people the Maquis, these distinct Maquis MURDERED, that they were probably pardoned during the welcome home ceremony which is the exact opposite of when a doctor has to save a deathrow convict for some silly disease when they are going to be executed in the morning because not only did she get lost, but she never needed to go on the mission in the first place since Starfleet had accidentally ordered her to capture HEROES who were all given medals by the admiralty.

(You're not thinking fourth dimensionally Marty!)

Are you watching Boardwalk Empire? That fat little kid playing Al Capone? All the power being thrown around to stop the consumption in hooch and in the end, it was the IRS who got him for tax evasion just moments before he could have began selling booze openly.

Same difference with we legitimization of the Maquis.

Elliot Ness had a mental Breakdown in public during a press conference some years after the fact when a reporter asked him if he was pissed about not capturing Capone as a Bootlegger.

I see the same fate for Janeway.
 
Look at it from the perspective of someone who hates Voyager. Nemesis took a bad character from an even worse show, brought them into a much better show, and had them one-up the beloved main character. That's annoying.
Bad character? Yes, nemesis wasn't very successful because this damn Janeway made a 2-minutes appearence. Such a pity for the bald lovers :drool:.. very annoying indeed.. that's a reason for mutiny, isn't it? I don't know how Picard controlled himself and didn't kill everybody. Is it possible? No, it's unacceptable.. that's such an insult for the fleet's best captain ever. Noone can be an admiral if he isn't....
Seriously, i like Picard, but i like Janeway more. I simply can't understand why this is all about. Kirk wanted to be always a captain. He advised Picard never leave the ship for the chair. Maybe this is excactly what he did. Why this makes absurd Janeways promotion? It's like a man who never got married because he didn't find a husband for all his sisters, totally illogical.
 
Why didn't he marry one of his sisters himself?

Nemesis was a bad movie.

You know what would have been a good movie?

Just watching them squeal around in that dune buggy for two hours shooting those space monkeys. Doom in a four by four. Pat looked like he was having some right fun.

They wouldn't have even needed a script just adlib the bastard with a bunch of "Yahoooo!"'s and "Weeeeeee!"'s.

Back to being mean about Janeway.

Voyager was either being taken apart to understand all it's alien technology, or Voyager was being bolted onto some promenade as a museum. Sure Picard had no confidence issues that he went ten years between the Stargayzer and the Enterprise just pottering about (there was a novel about those ten years which was excellent.), but you saw what happened to Janeway in the episode Night, if they didn't keep her hands busy she would have started cutting herself. They either had to give her another ship or promote her. there was no third option without admitting what a commensurate failure her mission was in the DQ considering she started how many wars where no sensible human would dare show their face for the next hundred years for fear of being turned inside out by the locals in response to the memory and scars of Janeway's imperialist posturing.
 
Normally i should stop reading after your first line but anyway... I saw what happened to Janeway, but Picard had also serious problem after battle of wolf 359. Ok he didn't killed himself, he kept it inside. As for the wars, when you make a tv series you can't always show how peaceful starfleet's mission is. There are some episodes showing her making successful first contacts and having alliances. But people need to see fights, have anxiety. So we saw 50 enemies but she maybe made 150 friends. Starfleet recognised that Voyager made more first contacts than any other ship. So i don't think she is so imperialist and that she couldn't be an admiral. She managed to get the most of them home after being 7 years in a totally unknown place.. she definitely is skilled. Why she mustn't become admiral before Picard?
 
Maria, Picard was never going to become an Admiral unless it was righteously forced upon him by people or events too powerful or horrible for him to say no to. Harry Kim would have become an admiral before Picard if he kept at it long enough. Four, maybe possibly 5 hundred years.

There was no competition.

I loved it when he had tea with Admiral Alyanna Nechayev and they seemed to find some commn ground after she chewed him out a few years earlier for not using Hugh to mule poison into the belly of the Borg Collective.

"I Don't want you to feel unwelcome on the Enterprise."

"[gasp!] I'm not welcome on the Enterprise!?"

"Sorry, no, um, that's not what I meant at all. I mean that I do want you to feel welcome on the Enterprise."

...

Besides in Nemesis, the conversation between Janeway and Picard was some where inbetween friendly to flirting. Odds are she calls him 5 times a week to find out how things are progressing (micromanaging?) and inform him as to the next aspect of his ongoing mission.

This wasn't their first conversation as his boss.
 
Look at it from the perspective of someone who hates Voyager. Nemesis took a bad character from an even worse show, brought them into a much better show, and had them one-up the beloved main character. That's annoying.

You're making the assumption here that people who don't like Voyager or Janeway are insane enough to not realize that just because it's not their cup of tea doesn't mean that the cameo is a bad idea.

I don't care much for DS9 or Enterprise but if Sisko or Archer showed up in a Voyager movie outranking Janeway it wouldn't bother me one bit.
 
And, Kelthaz, for the record - my apologies to you if I sounded harsh in my earlier reply to you. Devil's Advocate is never fun part to play for precisely this reason.

It's fine. I was too harsh there too. And I shouldn't say I was completely playing Devil's Advocate because I do have a mild dislike for the cameo. I mean, overall I liked it because I had a chance to see Janeway one last time, but I still thought it was pretty stupid. I would much rather Janeway and Picard had spoken as equals rather than her as his superior. Say have Janeway swoop in with Voyager leading the Federation fleet to save Picard's ass from Shinzon. Give her a bigger role and even have her save his life, but don't have her give him orders. I'd have the same problem if it was Picard giving orders to Janeway. All five of the main captains should be equal.
 
Say have Janeway swoop in with Voyager leading the Federation fleet to save Picard's ass from Shinzon.

Now that would have been really cool. :techman:

That would have been excellent, remember the Defiants brief sowing in First Contact? Got it's ass kicked and then Riker called it names. Could we really trust these people to treat Voyager with any respect?

Now this is what I would have liked.
At the wedding... Janeway enters the fore... Dennna stares daggers at Will, and then punches him in the arm REALLY hard... "I SAID NO OLD GIRLFRIENDS!"

Of course that's not possible since Riker and Janeway didn't seem to know each other during Q's trial...

The Helmboy we had was excellent, but imagine if instead of Tom Paris that we had had Tom Riker betraying/leading Janeway to Chakotays cell of scum and villainy in the pilot?

Oh my?
 
That would have been excellent, remember the Defiants brief sowing in First Contact? Got it's ass kicked and then Riker called it names. Could we really trust these people to treat Voyager with any respect?
I'm sorry but the Defiant is my favorite ship in Trek.
So I must defend it's honor, if you will.

The Defiant was on the first line of the attack In "First Contact" and lasted intact, until the Enterprise showed up from the Neutral Zone. I think she proved to do what she was designed for.
Now Starfleet has a fleet of them.

Little? ......, well maybe.

Tough?

Let the Borg come now.;)
 
I agree that the defiant should have made a better showing, but (for some reason I think) it took Nine Hours for Picard to bring the Enterprise into earthspace form the Neutral Zone, which means that the Defiant could have been up to it's tits all out war for nearly half a day before that Cube got in a lucky shot...

However we do not know how far away the Defiant was when it got the call to arms that it might have arrived 5 minutes before the Enterprise.

I was just wondering if it had been Kira or Sisko in charge of the tough little ship if they would have adopted them into the Flagships Command crew so quickly because the Klingon did bug out on 60 crew aboard the defiant to play house with these old friends from his wonder years.

Dereliction of duty much?
 
I agree that the defiant should have made a better showing, but (for some reason I think) it took Nine Hours for Picard to bring the Enterprise into earthspace form the Neutral Zone, which means that the Defiant could have been up to it's tits all out war for nearly half a day before that Cube got in a lucky shot...

However we do not know how far away the Defiant was when it got the call to arms that it might have arrived 5 minutes before the Enterprise.

Watch "First Contact's" beginning again.
When Picard and crew are listening to the battle, you'll here the Defiant being ordered onto position on the frontline.

It was already there.:techman:

Yes, one Defiant against a Cube isn't going to do much damage to it but again, it's meant to be one in a fleet of them.

Only Derelict of Duty I know, is the title of 3rd Basses 2nd CD.
Pop Goes the Weasel, ya'll.;)
 
I don't care much for DS9 or Enterprise but if Sisko or Archer showed up in a Voyager movie outranking Janeway it wouldn't bother me one bit.
I get what you are saying and I most certainly agree but I would have been amazed if Archer showed up. He would be well over 260 years old at the time of Nemesis.:techman:
 
I don't care much for DS9 or Enterprise but if Sisko or Archer showed up in a Voyager movie outranking Janeway it wouldn't bother me one bit.
I get what you are saying and I most certainly agree but I would have been amazed if Archer showed up. He would be well over 260 years old at the time of Nemesis.:techman:
everything is possible in Star trek :p the meaning is, it doesn't matter who is admiral. If it was reversed, and Janeway took orders from Picard, i don't believe that Janeway fans like me would be so mad about it, even if she is our favorite and obviously we believe that she is better than anyone else. So just accept it.
 
I don't care much for DS9 or Enterprise but if Sisko or Archer showed up in a Voyager movie outranking Janeway it wouldn't bother me one bit.
I get what you are saying and I most certainly agree but I would have been amazed if Archer showed up. He would be well over 260 years old at the time of Nemesis.:techman:

:lol: I was waiting for that!

Another way to look at it: Would Picard fans rather have no TNG movies but have Picard as an admiral giving orders to Janeway in one of several Voyager movies or would you rather keep all your TNG movies and put up with the little cameo since after all that's all that Janeway/Voyager fans are going to get and isn't it great you're not in OUR shoes? ;)
 
UM. Archer did show up in the most recent NuTOS movie, in exposition at least, and the crowd went WILD! You do recall that Scottie killed Porthos (Probably Porthos VI. The dog wasn't named, but it was a Beagle.) and ADMIRAL exiled Scottie off to the wastelands where Jim Kirk found him. Maybe they considered filming a family guy style flash back with Bakula, maybe they didn't?

Back to being mean about Janeway.

It was a case of fuck (medal +retirement), murder (penal colony) or marry (promote to admiral.). Each choice was valid for how to handle the Janeway situation because the political vs legal aspects of why they had to do something to this lady balanced off a little too evenly because she had done many many horrible things to bring her crew home which is a hail Mary that overshadows all her other skeletons supposedly.
 
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In other words the bipolar captain of the somewhat despised Voyager giving orders to Captain Picard is very off-putting.

That's my feeling. I disliked Voyager and Captain Janeway so I did not enjoy those 30 seconds of Nemesis.

Although there are parts of Nemesis that I disliked WAY more than that.
 
In order words the bipolar captain of the somewhat despised Voyager giving orders to Captain Picard is very off-putting.
Wow, you are a psychiatrist! Very interesting, if i was a doctor i would be a psychiatrist.. maybe.. :evil:
 
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