Rarely has any poster on this board said so many preposterous, histrionic and just plain wrong things in a single post. Congratulations.
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Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon
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Rarely has any poster on this board said so many preposterous, histrionic and just plain wrong things in a single post. Congratulations.
Yeah, sometimes when I watch TNG I wish that the crew would go on more romps or Picard could get into a TOS-style fistfight in the engine room. Just for variety's sake.
I didn't know fratboys or dudebros wrote this show. WHERE'S MY HAROLD AND KUMAR CAMEOS. Surely John Cho wouldn't mind diving back into the Trek universe for an appearance as a weed-smoking Sulu with pithy comebacks and one-liners.
I'm still bummed we didn't have a "glad we're all alive" frat party with the crew after they successfully arrived in the future, with all the alcohol and weed-related hijinks that should've been expected from such an illustrious writer's room full of greek house dudebros.
The idea that formal prescriptivist English is "superior" to other forms of English is inherently classist. It ignores the valuable contributions that other English dialects have made to the language as a whole; it ignores the way language actually functions in the real world; and it asserts a false hierarchy of linguistic value. A casual perusal of the literature on the harms caused to marginalized communities by denying the legitimacy of non-prescriptivist English should firmly put to bed the idea that it's a good thing for a TV show to depict prescriptivist English as superior to other forms (which TNG absolutely did).
Sure. And so are non-prescriptivist forms of English.
"This is the power of math!" was one of the most joyous expressions of the wonder of science Star Trek has ever featured. It was a wonderful quote from a wonderful scene.
"Brother" (DIS S2E1) was written by Ted Sullivan & Gretchen J. Berg & Aaron Harberts.
Sullivan is 51 years old. He is is a graduate of the University of Southern California Film Writing School, where he later worked as adjunct professor of screenwriting.
Gretchen J. Berg is 52 years old, and her writing partner Aaron Harberts is 50. Both were students at Northwestern University, where their writing partnership began. Harberts is openly gay and married. Berg and Harberts were both fired about halfway through DIS S2's production when allegations of abusive behavior towards their colleagues came to light.
To the extent that any of them were douchebags, it would be because of Berg's and Harbert's treatment of other writers (including, presumably, Sullivan).
I have found no evidence that any of the three credited writers were members of a fraternity. Berg is a woman, not a boy.
... If that's how you feel, then I would urge you to examine where these feelings are coming from. Because all they're doing on DIS is using common vernacular English rather than prescriptivist English.
You obviously don't, or you wouldn't talk so favorably about the show where Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise could solve incredibly complex socio-political problems with a well-time self-important speech about how humanity is ever so much more evolved than it used to be.
You don't believe anything you're saying and are just trying to get reactions.
You keep ignoring everything everyone says and fall back on parroting back the same talking points. That's how I know you're all smoke and mirrors.
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All beak, no squawk.
I hope you've enjoyed your short stay here. I have a feeling you will be making a departure (possibly not for the first time) very soon.
I have to say, you haven't made many friends.
Count on it.
It doesn't have to be in your head canon, but it is for many here. I don't consider PICARD in my head canon, but I sure did enjoy watching every season of it. Sure there was dud episodes but there are duds on every other TV series on the mainstream and because of that doesn't make the series bad. I had an investment in those characters, I wish I could've seen Elnor, Rios, and Jurati Borg Queen somehow in the final season; maybe Elnor an officer on board the Titan, or somehow activating a Rios Hologram, and getting the Jurati Queen involved. No matter, this season was fun and I enjoyed it... not canon, but it was a nice send off to this version of Jean-Luc Picard.
Is it cannon? Really? Let's say you wrote some.amazing novel or movie series that is beloved. The fans have seen/read it and researched it and loved it so much that they could easily write or film a new series/book set in the universe of the book you wrote and do it perfectly.
Let's say for 5 years, some really great, qualified writers and people continue your series/book either through sequels, or spin offs, or make it live action, and everyones happy.
Now imagine 10 years pass, and all the fans have loved your work and now there are talks that the same company who created the sequel/spin off that was beloved, is trying to create a new series/book based on your original.
Now let's say the writers working on the new project, as well as the showrunners or whatever, create something set in your universe, but it's extremely bad..imagine the same company you approved of because they were so good in the past, suddenly seemingly ruining your work, not understanding the Lore, Creating illogical stories, or plotholes, or killing off your characters everyone loved for no good reason let alone a logical one, and imagine they keep pumping out more media and continually making things worse, how would you feel?
Would you still think of their awful work Canon, even if they owned the rights to your work? Technically yes. But in your heart and mind, would you seriously care to see their awful work as canon to your original work? What if you were given the rights to continue work on your project again? Would you not immediately be excited to undo the damage they did, or just ignore it, or just claim it was some dream or alternate universe, and continue your project from where you originally left off, but this time do it good, and write it to make sense, and not have plotholes, etc? Wouldn't you just tell the fans that whatever the previous company did, wasn't really Canon and distance yourself from them?
Well this is how some of us feel about new trek. The people who came on to create it were really only interested in money and their stuoid streaming service. Without trek, why would anyone want paramount + anyway? Star trek is their main cash cow, and they just want money, they don't care nor do they understand Lore, how to write a great story, how to write a memorable and great character, or villain, etc. If they respected and understood trek, they wouldn't start trek by ruining the klingons, making a 23rd century ship look 30 times more advanced than it should be. They wouldn't listen to Patrick stewart when he said he wants to do a Picard show SOLO, and not wear a uniform. But they did, because they don't understand trek, and because even if they watched every episode. They're brains are so microscopic they'd STILL write pure trash and fk it up.
That's why new trek is not canon DESPITE what paramount CLAIMS
Uhm no. Anyone who watched Picards speeches know he MEANT what he said and felt strongly about it. The same way he did in The drumhead, or measure of a man, or who watches the watchers, and especially in the first duty. Youre either blatantly lying or confused or you don't know what pretentious means
Yes.
Yes, because what is canon is determined by the owners of the intellectual property, not by subjective evaluations of quality. The owner of Star Trek is Paramount Pictures, not you.
Gene Roddenberry is dead.
No.
Plenty of pretentious people mean what they say and feel strongly about it. It's still pretentious.
What little logic there is here breaks down into gibberish halfway through the post.
You spend the first several paragraphs affecting the point of view of the creators of the property - which you are not - and then, at "how some if us feel" you shift to pretending to speak for some nebulous hypothetical group of viewers while basing your objections on the putative feelings of the creators.
Sloppy. You're neither a creator nor do you have the standing to speak for the long-time fanbase. You're a chorus of one, voicing only your singular point of view and not doing it well at all.
But you do it at excessive and repetitive length.
A lot of what you hold up as the gold standard for Trek wasn't very good. Some of what you despise is better.
Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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I read the title of this thread and realised IDIC does not mean I have to accept these ramblings. Thank the Great Bird!
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