Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon

[Magistos]

Yes, very sad.

ANY-way...

 

[Vger23]

It's genuinely refreshing to see a post about how somone's dislike for a certain iteration of Star Trek has caused them to want to de-canonize everything they have distaste for.

I mean....I don't think I've ever seen such a perspective before.

 

[fireproof78]

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone.

With all due respect, this was part of Trek from the beginning. Go watch "The Cage" and see Pike dealing with depression.

Now, go look at modern society and see how depression and anxiety and such are rampant. And art reflects life. This is not a bug; it's a feature.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

No.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

And no. This isn't a religion. Trek fans would do well to remember that.

 

[Greg Cox]

What in the world does this sentence mean??

It's a reference to some TNG novels predating PICARD. Specifically, the "Destiny" trilogy by Dave Mack.

 

[Lord Garth]

You don't start a thread title like, "Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon" without finishing with, "I want to speak to the manager!!!" That's how this sounds.

 

[Paul Weaver]

It does not

Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

I didn't read any further, especially on a Thursday when non-USians are at a major disadvantage due to the delay in global release

 

[Sci]

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere.

For someone who doesn't believe in God, you have a strange preoccupation with ritualized purity.

All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK.

There are only a couple of actors on the Paramount+ productions who were born after 1998. Most of the producers, writers, and actors on Star Trek right now are over 30.

they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration.

The producers are over thirty and did not grow up watching YouTube, TikTok, or SnapChat.

Anyway, your opinion of what is or is not canon is irrelevant, because what is canonical is defined by the intellectual property owner, not by fans. Star Trek is owned by Paramount, and Paramount defines all of the TV shows and films as canonical. This is not a matter of opinion.

 

[Lord Garth]

For someone who doesn't believe in God, you have a strange preoccupation with ritualized purity.



There are only a couple of actors on the Paramount+ productions who were born after 1998. Most of the producers, writers, and actors on Star Trek right now are over 30.



The producers are over thirty and did not grow up watching YouTube, TikTok, or SnapChat.

Anyway, your opinion of what is or is not canon is irrelevant, because what is canonical is defined by the intellectual property owner, not by fans. Star Trek is owned by Paramount, and Paramount defines all of the TV shows and films as canonical. This is not a matter of opinion.

Why are you reasoning with someone who's obviously yanking our chain? You took his bait.

We've had a rash of these "newbies" lately.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

USians

Just for my betterment, is that pronounced OO-shənz or YOO-shənz?

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

Being the self-appointed Pope of a megcorporation's IP, determing dogma, creating the infallible truth of a fictional story premise must be exhausting. Sure is exhausting to read.

Like knocking on every door in Scotland to determine who is and is not a "true Scotsman." Such an arbitrary burden!

 

[Tomalak]

We've had a rash of these "newbies" lately.

Was going to say, it’s been like whack-a-mole for the mods the last few weeks.

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces.

I dunno, man, you just spent 1,000 words to say "I don't like it!!" so I'm not convinced of your writing prowess.

 

[Greg Cox]

I dunno, man, you just spent 1,000 words to say "I don't like it!!" so I'm not convinced of your writing prowess.

While misspelling canon.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story

TL; DR

If you don't like it, don't watch it. Don't waste precious moments of your life watching something you know you're not going to like because of some weird need to be a completionist. Hours and hours of your life could have been spent doing something you would enjoy instead.

Also you're gonna fucking love how those novels all end

Spoiler: novelverse finale

They all die horribly and their universe is erased so that the PIC timeline can exist. Not joking. It's amazing.

If that's not amazing to you, you might want to skip the Coda trilogy.

 

[gweeps]

To paraphrase Stephen King, there are other shows than these.

 

[XCV330]

can I borrow anyone's ritual cleansing luffa? I must have left mine at home.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'd like James Dixon to weigh in.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'd like James Dixon to weigh in.

That would be hard to do after getting a stroke from watching them.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Well, it's been very productive my friends, but I'm out of this one, if I could ever really have considered myself to be 'in' it.

 

[fireproof78]

can I borrow anyone's ritual cleansing luffa? I must have left mine at home.

You too!? This is what I get for packing in the dark.