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Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon

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Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story
 
No, I don't consider them "Cannon" either....

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Canon on the other hand - the people that own the property say it is so it is (love it or hate it).
 
Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

You'll find that in sci-fi stories across the map. Even older shows have episodes containing ridiculousness that are headscratchers.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

That depends on the episode; each series has good episodes. Just different styles.

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

Now that's a tangent!

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Music and entertainment are subjective. I found some of the latest music in PIC to be quite good, genuinely enhancing the plot while being music on its own - and not being bombastic.

To compare, I love Ron Jones' style the most, but there are times when he's so over the top with schmaltz or experimental. Each era has greats and not-so-greats.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

But PROD is made by the same production company, is it not? How can they get everything right enough yet none from the other handful of series? (I don't like them all, but did watch and found bits and pieces I did like. But I digress. What we like in overall presentation is also subjective.)

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

Trek, right down to TOS, had the producers' feelings put in. I'm so itching to bring up what several dozen non-fiction books and interviews have said about TNG and some of the things they wanted to do, or certain script rewrites. And one of the producers back in early TNG time didn't want TOS to be canon anymore either.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story

Trek has many different formats and styles. I don't recall where a Trek fan is obligated to enjoy every last sequel, prequel, and so on. And Roddenberry hasn't been involved since TNG's 5th season either... some of the better ideals are still there, even if the presentation style changes or if they run into production problems at one point or another. The other shows don't impact the ones we like. And I say that liking some of the shows and not the others. The minutiae on that doesn't matter; the general layer above is arguably the more important.



ON EDIT: Sundry changes for clarification purposes, though the underlying context should still be the same. I need to proofread beforehand more often... : blush :
 
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Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story
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Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story

Do you feel a bit silly for saying all that now?
 
Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story
Nice talking to you. Bye.
 
This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager.

I'd love to see your attempt at an episode of Trek. It had better be a beautiful, wonderful, masterpiece of an "episodic episode" too.
 
And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone.

Kirk angsting over command responsibilities
Kirk kvetching about Academy hazing bullies
Kirk obsessing over old command mistakes and imaginary monsters
Kirk bitching about overbearing bureaucrats commandeering his command for farming
Kirk complaining about obsolescence due to computer advancements

Many more just in TOS.

Maybe, the shows are not the problem.
 
Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story

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