That Starbase 11 wall chart - noe in slide form

[ChallengerHK]

So the wall chart comes up every now and then. One idea that's been discussed, mostly by me, is trying to find a film clip of the chart. I'm a photographer, and I have a film scanner that will do 9600dpi. This may, or may not, put an end to the debate about what numbers are on the chart; I'd guess there's about a 50/50 chance of success.

Well...somebody on ebay is selling a oad of Court Martial clips. The bad news is they're priced at $449.00. Who wants to start a kickstarter?

For the record, I don't epect this to happen. But is there is someone reading this with deep pockets and an abiding interest in the chart, let me know.

 

[David cgc]

I think the critical issue is probably focus, not resolution. Especially if the film clips aren't the original camera negative. Maybe aligning and layering multiple frames together would overcome that.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I think the critical issue is probably focus, not resolution. Especially if the film clips aren't the original camera negative. Maybe aligning and layering multiple frames together would overcome that.

Both are relevant. I have no idea what stock the show used to shoot, which would address the esolution issue. There is at least one shot, as I recall, which starts on the chart and pulls out; if my memory is right, and the focus puller was on point that day, that should address focus.

 

[Yaroze86]

I assume the red of the scans would not have any effect? I noticed some are full color but the two in question are all red. So our odds are actually somewhat better. One of the two might produce what we want.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I think all the Lincoln Enterprises clips were cut up from daileys, which were not color graded, hence the red tint. I don't think t would make a huge difference in the results.

 

[Yaroze86]

So I found a single scan on ebay for $25.00. I went ahead and bought it. Stand by and we will see how good this works. It might not be the best copy but it might work as a test to see if its possible.

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[ChallengerHK]

So I found a single scan on ebay for $25.00. I went ahead and bought it. Stand by and we will see how good this works. It might not be the best copy but it might work as a test to see if its possible.

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Outstanding. What kind of scanner do you have?

 

[Yaroze86]

I don't.... Are you stateside?

 

[ChallengerHK]

I am, in Virginia. If you want to send it to me I'll give it a shot. I will caution you up front, however, that becase the chart is such a small part of the frame, it may not solve the problem. I've been looking for a clip with the chart close to filling the frame.

 

[Yaroze86]

I am, in Virginia. If you want to send it to me I'll give it a shot. I will caution you up front, however, that becase the chart is such a small part of the frame, it may not solve the problem. I've been looking for a clip with the chart close to filling the frame.

Sent you a DM

 

[Yaroze86]

I should have it in hand tomorrow. I will see if I can look at it as well through my 20x loupe before I send it to you.

 

[Yaroze86]

So, I got it in hand today, I stacked all my watch loupes together (3x, 5x, 7x, 10x). I can say it is fairly clear. From what I can tell naked eye, NCC-1631, NCC-1654 (Looks more this) or 1664. Would you be able to clean it as there is a black speck of dust near the 1631/1831?

 

[ChallengerHK]

A lot of my stuff, including most of what I would use to clean film, was stolen several years ago. One quick and cheap suggestion would be to get a can of compressed air..

 

[Yaroze86]

I think Trek fandom has overthought this too much, I have spent little time going over it. I am like 99% sure its NCC-1631 and NCC-1654. There is still a probability its the Excalibur. If it is indeed 1664/1654 like what my eyes see, I do not see a reason for the other to be the lone 18XX registry. I think the probability of it being 1631 is a higher chance than 1831 going by the other numbers.

 

[ChallengerHK]

Trek fans have overthought something? Say it isn't so! :-)

Seriously, on one level I agree with you. To tech fans I think it's a crucial question...but that's a very small number of people.

My big question is whether the line you're seeing as 1654 is really 1864. If you're 99% certain I'll accept that. Either way, it answers some questions.

 

[Yaroze86]

I know my 600 DPI scanner fails at it. The film is not perfect and has some scratches on it. But I found out, if you put it against blue light, it makes it much easier to read with less red bleed through. It's just outside my loupes comfort zone before I 100% say it's one way or the other. I will still probably send it your way to have it scanned at least. Honestly, I even tried my digital microscope on it, but I need a backlight source on it before I can get that idea to work lol. I would like to get a more definite answer on it before I do so in the event it gets lost in the mail.