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That Damned Car Itch

John Picard

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Somewhere, in this forum, I had input in a car thread where I stated I wanted a VW Jetta or Passat diesel wagon. I want a diesel because they're bullet proof, get awesome mileage, and I want a daily driver with a large, enclosed cargo area. It's interesting that these days I view a sedan (4-door) as a ridiculous and inefficient means of transportation -- trunks and rear seats have limitations. I'm also weary of driving my pickup every day as well as spending $60 per week to fill the tank.

Well, I soon learned that people who buy wagons *really* get their use out of them. It's almost impossible to find one with an automatic (personal preference), and then they're not sold until almost 75K minimum is on the clock. That's one rule I have -- never buy a new car. Someone else can take the depreciation hit.

Anyway, I go back to square one, do some thinking, and nail down the VW Golf/Rabbit/GTI diesel, between 2002 and 2008. Automatics seem plentiful, the 4-door version is said to be very roomy, plus the hatchback lends advantages. Prices are good, the safety ratings are great, and they're reported to be a blast to drive. Awesome. So, I check them out, like what I see, and set up some alerts on Auto Trader and CarMax. All is well, right? Nope.

I'm leaving work the other day and end up behind a Kia Soul. Hmmm, intersting little bugger (I've always liked small, sporty cars) that I don't believe I ever paid attention to when they were first introduced. The car is low, but not so low one has to stoop down to enter, 4-doors, and a rear hatch. The 4-cylinder engine has some impressive numbers for HP and torque, and even fully loaded they come in under $18,500. Safety ratings are very good as is the 10 year, 100K mile warranty, as well as Kia's record for well built vehicles. More research shows that common problems are easily scratched interior plastic and issues with the "mood lights" of the speakers. Wow :rolleyes: no show stoppers there.

The problem is that I can't make up my damned mind :scream:
 
In the very very very long run. I run diesel and petrol cars, the petrol car is much cheaper to run and maintain.
 
You're worried about resale value, good room, economy and a sporty drive in a small car? Honda Fit. That Kia Soul isn't going to be worth much down the road.

I've also never heard a good thing about Kia dealer service in my life, and it's the most common complaint about owning a Kia. If you plan on getting repair work done under warranty with them consider that.
 
You're worried about resale value, good room, economy and a sporty drive in a small car? Honda Fit. That Kia Soul isn't going to be worth much down the road.

I've also never heard a good thing about Kia dealer service in my life, and it's the most common complaint about owning a Kia. If you plan on getting repair work done under warranty with them consider that.


Check out MSN autos for feedback. I have yet to read one negative review of Kia's treatment of customers. I know a few people with Kias who have positive reviews. The comparison between the Kia and Honda is interesting and weighs toward the Kia. Honda styling is so...blah.

As far as resale -- Nope. When I buy a car, it's a long-term commitment. My pickup just turned 200K miles.
 
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I own a 2007 Honda Fit and could not be happier. It has under 10,000 miles and I'm looking at selling it or trading it in shortly. We have our second child on the way and need something bigger. We think we going to go with the Chevy Traverse, sits 8 and gets 24mpg. Just looked at it at the NY Auto show. We looked at all the mini-vans as well, but didn't really like them.
 
I have a 2003 Diesel Golf Mark 4 shape (though I'm not sure if the particular engine I have is available over there. Looking at the website for the US a few years back seemed to indicate only the larger engines were available.)

For me, it's been reliable, practical and fun though I haven't done anywhere near the number of miles that you do. It's also reasonably cheap on the UK road tax and fuel costs
 
I have a 2003 Diesel Golf Mark 4 shape (though I'm not sure if the particular engine I have is available over there. Looking at the website for the US a few years back seemed to indicate only the larger engines were available.)

For me, it's been reliable, practical and fun though I haven't done anywhere near the number of miles that you do. It's also reasonably cheap on the UK road tax and fuel costs

I drive around 340 miles per week as I currently live 37 miles from my work. This is where the diesel would come in handy regarding mileage. I also prefer to drive when I visit relatives out of state, which is 870 miles away. The VW would be awesome in the winding, hilly roads of Missouri.
 
I'm very torn over VW. I really like the way the cars look, inside and out. A lot of magazines like to sing their praises about the "high quality materials" and run ride. But damned if they aren't overpriced. Like, ridiculously overpriced. I've also heard a ton of complaints from VW owners (both online and in real life) about reliability problems over time. They start out nice enough, but the longer you keep it, the more frequently you take it to the shop to have alll these little things fixed. I'm sure there are some people who have had good luck with VW, but I've heard of too many personal bad experiences.

Kia is another mixed bag. Kia, and parent company Hyundai, are really stepping up their game. From styling to features to quality, Kia and Hyundai are really going after the Japanese brands and trying to steal their thunder. And it seems to be working. Does this mean a Kia is going to hold up long-term? I honestly don't know. My dad's wife has a Hyundai (about 3 years old) and it's great. I know a few friends with other Hyundai models and they seem happy with them. But I don't actually know anyone who's bought a Kia. I'm still a little hesitant about the brand.

As far as hatchbacks and wagons are concerned, I really love the Mazda3 hatch. I'm also really looking forward to the U.S. release of the Ford Fiesta (and, next year, the 2012 Focus, which will be available once again as a hatchback).
 
I'm very torn over VW. I really like the way the cars look, inside and out. A lot of magazines like to sing their praises about the "high quality materials" and run ride. But damned if they aren't overpriced. Like, ridiculously overpriced. I've also heard a ton of complaints from VW owners (both online and in real life) about reliability problems over time. They start out nice enough, but the longer you keep it, the more frequently you take it to the shop to have alll these little things fixed. I'm sure there are some people who have had good luck with VW, but I've heard of too many personal bad experiences.

Kia is another mixed bag. Kia, and parent company Hyundai, are really stepping up their game. From styling to features to quality, Kia and Hyundai are really going after the Japanese brands and trying to steal their thunder. And it seems to be working. Does this mean a Kia is going to hold up long-term? I honestly don't know. My dad's wife has a Hyundai (about 3 years old) and it's great. I know a few friends with other Hyundai models and they seem happy with them. But I don't actually know anyone who's bought a Kia. I'm still a little hesitant about the brand.

As far as hatchbacks and wagons are concerned, I really love the Mazda3 hatch. I'm also really looking forward to the U.S. release of the Ford Fiesta (and, next year, the 2012 Focus, which will be available once again as a hatchback).

I hear ya, which is one reason I'd look for a car 1-2 year old, or older, depending on mileage.

VW had a big problem with all vehicle built in the Mexico City plant starting in 1998, which affected the Jetta and New Beetle, since they are built on the same platform. After a few years of issues (gasoline models only) and VW dealerships refusing cars from the Mexico City plant, VW shut it down for 30 days and made every worker requalify for his job. Quality went up afterward.

A friend of mine is on his third Jetta Sportwagen, which is built in Germany. He's never had an issue with his German built VWs and I was very impressed with the Jetta during a roadtrip. I tend to question people's complaints with most cars as few people today understand why they're so complex or even have an inkling how to work on them.

One of the best cars I ever owned was a 1996 Mazda Protege with a 1.5L. That car handled very well and had a lot of pep. Ford and Mazda are probably still partnered, and there's a lady where I work with a new Mazda that keeps catching my eye; however, I'm all about a hatchback or wagon. I have no use for an SUV and hate them. CUVs are OK, but it all depends. The Scion and Element are OK, except the Scion is poorly under powered.
 
VW had a big problem with all vehicle built in the Mexico City plant starting in 1998, which affected the Jetta and New Beetle, since they are built on the same platform. After a few years of issues (gasoline models only) and VW dealerships refusing cars from the Mexico City plant, VW shut it down for 30 days and made every worker requalify for his job. Quality went up afterward.

Personally, I know of three people who have had VWs and have sworn off of them. Their experiences were related to a '98 Passat, '00 Jetta and '03 Golf. That's three different models over five different years. Enough to make me worry. Of course, it's been several years so perhaps things have improved.
 
My father used to swear by VW..(air cooled days) but after a horrible experience with a 1972 VW Van (Combie)..he swore off them forever.

Iin 1975 (LONG after the 12 month warranty expired) the van lost compression in 2 cylinders..

Dad removed the engine, took it to a dealer, got a replacement and installed it..
We then took a trip to help break in the engine..from Sacramento to Santa Cruz...

We got about 70 miles when the new engine threw a rod...Dad walked to a gas station..called his friend and we got towed back home..He immediately removed the "New" engine, put it in the back of our pick-up, drove to the dealer(closed for the day when he got there) and left the motor at the door of the service dept..with a note demanding another engine..When he got there the next day, an engine was waiting..he put the engine in and parked the van on the corner with a "For Sale" sign (Damn thing sold in 3 days)...Ever since, he refers to VW vans as "Nazi Garbage Cans"...
 
One of the best cars I ever owned was a 1996 Mazda Protege with a 1.5L. That car handled very well and had a lot of pep. Ford and Mazda are probably still partnered, and there's a lady where I work with a new Mazda that keeps catching my eye; however, I'm all about a hatchback or wagon. I have no use for an SUV and hate them. CUVs are OK, but it all depends. The Scion and Element are OK, except the Scion is poorly under powered.

What about the Mazda 3 Sport? That's a hatch, and by all accounts it's a great car.
 
One of the best cars I ever owned was a 1996 Mazda Protege with a 1.5L. That car handled very well and had a lot of pep. Ford and Mazda are probably still partnered, and there's a lady where I work with a new Mazda that keeps catching my eye; however, I'm all about a hatchback or wagon. I have no use for an SUV and hate them. CUVs are OK, but it all depends. The Scion and Element are OK, except the Scion is poorly under powered.

What about the Mazda 3 Sport? That's a hatch, and by all accounts it's a great car.

Yeah, I've tinkered with that one. Either Car and Driver or Road & Track didn't have much to say about it's performance. Then again, they're as bad as Consumer Reports -- talk negative about a vehicle and they give it a top recommendation. Go figure.
 
^ Unless it's a BMW, in which case Car & Driver will make literary love to it. ;)


And until recently, those who know would tell you that Consumer Reports would fawn all over anything wearing a Toyota nameplate without having even driven it :lol:
 
^ Unless it's a BMW, in which case Car & Driver will make literary love to it. ;)


And until recently, those who know would tell you that Consumer Reports would fawn all over anything wearing a Toyota nameplate without having even driven it :lol:

I was about to say that and then I remembered what happened last week...:lol:

Toyota's response to that is highly interesting.

If you're looking for small wagons with amazing amounts of room, you should take a good look at the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe twins. I'm looking at them myself for my next car and the idea of a Toyota with everything but the extra money the Toyota name costs is very appealling. I also have two friends that own Matrixes and swear by them.
 
I owned a Matrix before I got the Honda Fit and it was my favorite car. It's very roomy inside and you can carry a lot with the seats folded down. I highly recommend it if you are interested.
 
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