Terminator VI

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Relayer1, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. Mr. Adventure

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    Oh sure, but it's just some guy horsing around for a laugh, just imagine what might be possible in the future on a film studio level.
     
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  2. Ovation

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    Only if they pay the owners of Last Action Hero.
     
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  3. Mr. Adventure

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    ^ Well, I'm assuming there's more applications than replacing Arnie with Stallone lol
     
  4. bigglesworth

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    If we’re using Terminator Genisys as a template, specifically Jai Courtney’s Kyle Reese, then every member of the resistance enjoys a gym membership, a 3500+ calorie diet and never misses their daily macros.
     
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  5. Tosk

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    Y'know, I could look past Biehn's sweet '80s haircut, but Jai "What's Acting?" Courtney destroyed any illusion of Kyle being a hardscrabble future fighter surviving on rats and looking at the same photo a lot.

    Plus I hate him, so I never miss an opportunity to complain about him being Kyle Reese. Thank goodness there wasn't a good movie to ruin, imagine how pissed I'd be if Genisys had actually been good other than him!
     
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  6. Unimatrix Q

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    I'm fairly convinced that it is T3 that is responsible for the damaged state of the franchise. If you take in account how loveless the movie was made and how little passion some of the people working at the movie, and the merchandise for it, apparently had for the project.

    A seldom mentioned fact about the movie: In the graveyard scene they even put a blatantly wrong birth year on Sarah's tombstone (1959), while Sarah was supposed to be 19 in Terminator 1. Which is set in 1984...

    And does anyone remember the T3 novelisation? The only thing i remember from it, when i read it in 2003, was being shocked at how bad it was. It seemed that the autor sometimes didn't even remember what he wrote pages before and contradicted his own writing.
     
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  7. Teelie

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    Linda Hamilton was born in 1956 so at least they knocked a few years off her actual age although that was just lazy and sloppy on their part. I think for all the missteps of T3 though, it was Salvation that truly sank the franchise. Then Genisys buried it. Their idea could have worked but it flip-flopped in almost every way possible. The Connornator was a mistake, Courtney was a mistake, Clarke might have worked but she got it mostly thanks to GOT. Arnold could have worked but that goes back to mangling the story and going for more ideas than depth.

    I really liked what they intended for Genisys but none of the execution.
     
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  8. Set Harth

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    Arnold upgraded to T-1000 capability was a promising idea.
     
  9. Tosk

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    Except for the stupidity of how it happened. The polyalloy is useless unless you throw a used CPU in it, and then you're good to go apparently.

    If there had been a sequel, can you imagine the ridiculously overpowered brand-new Terminator they would have had to introduce just to give Pops a worthy adversary?
     
  10. Unimatrix Q

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    I actually have an idea for that. Let's call it the T-2000, although it's illogical for me that every incarnation of Skynet always uses the same serial numbers.

    It's a liquid metal terminator that can split itself into independently acting parts, with each of them as powerful as a T-1000...
     
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  11. JD

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    ^ So basically what we appear to be getting with Gabriel Luna in Dark Fate?
     
  12. bigglesworth

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    Though it was mostly a rehash of T2, T3 was at least enjoyable in my opinion. Salvation was a very poorly executed step/stumble in the right direction... and yes, I agree, Genisys was cr#p.

    I think the Terminator franchise needed to reinvent itself similar to how the Fast and Furious franchise did. Let's be honest, the first F&F movie was basically Point Break with cars instead of surfboards. 2 Fast, 2 Furious and F&F: Tokyo Drift was more of the same (modified cars, hot girls, street races, etc...). Then over the course of F&F4, 5, 6 and 7, they recreated the franchise from a bunch of regular young adults with fast cars to movies where the characters became essentially a tier 1 special operations unit (or James Bond, or a Marvel superhero group... take your pick) and the action sequences were crazy and fun, though not necessarily believable. The characters were visibly older and changed and the movies reflected that. I know some fans of the original didn't appreciate the change, but movie going audiences in general seemed to.

    Back to Terminator though; I think the time travel thing should have been abandoned. Obviously it was an integral part of T1 and worked well for T2 and well enough for T3, but that's where it should have stopped. Salvation was the correct place to start for T4, though it should have been darker. The human resistance should have been a few scattered groups, barely surviving and not an organized military like we got with the movie. The audience could have followed John Connor as he slowly built the resistance into a trained fighting force with maybe the end of the movie being some sort of win for the resistance and John, cementing him as the legendary hero. T5 would have been an ESB/Avengers:IW type movie with the good guys losing at the end, then T6 would have had the resistance destroying Skynet only at the end, observing the T800 and T1000 being sent back in time, thus repeating the cycle.
     
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  13. Unimatrix Q

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    From what was seen in the trailer and the released information, it seems to me that the Rev9 is actually a bit more similar to the T-X. Apparently it consists of an endoskeleton covered with something foglike that can separate from it to attack it's targets.
     
  14. USS Firefly

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    I would prefer a good Terminator movie set in the future, after judgement day
     
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  15. Relayer1

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    I would prefer a good Terminator movie.

    I have no other stipulations.
     
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  16. Reverend

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    The thing is, if it's based in the future then it's not really a Terminator movie. The concept of a killing machine infiltrator from the future in our present day is pretty well baked into the concept. Even at the very beginning of the first movie, that future war was over. Skynet was beaten, humanity had won. Game over. The time travel assassins were an 11th hour Hail Mary that was probably done literally as Skynet was smashed.

    I suppose you could take a second run at a prequel showing John Conner leading the resistance...but what's the point? Where do you go with that? Sure, you could have lots of impressive action sequences, but where's the drama? Not only do we the audience know that John wins, but so does John. He's a living, walking, talking, facially scarred bootstrap paradox.
    The only way around that is the route the 4th movie took with the future not being what John was told about...and we saw how that movie turned out. John was such a boring character they had to invent a whole new protagonist with a plot line that had nothing to do with anything.
     
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  17. JD

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    Do they ever address the timeline of when the different Terminators were sent back? Were they all sent back one after the other in the order we see them in the movies?
    The only one I've seen more than once is T2, and even with that one I don't remember the specifics very well.
     
  18. bigglesworth

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    Not really. With T1, it was a last ditch effort by Skynet, right before the humans won. Supposedly Kyle was the only one to go back before JC destroyed the time machine. T2 obviously changes those events slightly. T3, T5 and even T:TSCC completely obliterates the timeline setup in T1 with both Skynet and the resistance sending multiple terminators/soldiers back in time.
     
  19. JD

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    I don't know if it would really be possible, but I was thinking it would be a fun little twist if it actually turned out they actually sent the Terminators back in the reverse of the order they arrived in. Either that, or all at the same time.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    Skynet thinks there is only one time line that is mutable. No branching divergent parallel timelines. You know, or why else the hell bother? Skynet is wrong?

    In the Sarah Connor Chronicles Brian Austin Green, Kyle's brother, meets up with one of his psychotic future girlfriends, but when they compare memories/future histories... They don't match.
     
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