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Terminator Genisys - Discussion and Grading Thread (Spoilers)

Grade Terminator: Genisys

  • "I'll Be Back..." - Excellent

    Votes: 19 17.3%
  • "Come with me if you want to live!" - Above Average

    Votes: 36 32.7%
  • "I'm old, not obsolete." - Average

    Votes: 33 30.0%
  • "Hasta La Vista, Baby." - Below Average

    Votes: 11 10.0%
  • "You are Terminated!" - Horrible

    Votes: 11 10.0%

  • Total voters
    110
Kyle however in each timeline is a wild card since he does not react logically to anything. Of course that kid is operating on a fight or flight instinct which is almost predictable, but all he needed was a slightly different Tuesday 3 months ago (back in the future) and all the decisions he comes to make in the (unseen) do-overs of the first movie might might cause him to turn left at one point when he turned right in the original movie.

Meh?

Indeed, even a minor change might led Kyle to make love to Sarah in an uncomfortable place and thus John is never born.

Like the back of a Volkswagen?
 
Yeah I don't know what deleted scene you mean either.

You're not thinking fourth dimensionally.

The second movie is always there.


No - I know a lot of people need all of this stuff to fit together but it doesn't - the time travel works consistently in the first film and doesn't in the others.
 
End of the movie, there's two suits talking about the batshit craziness from the night before that tried to blow up their factory. The Camera pans up, and there's the Cyberdyne Logo on the front of the building where Sarah killed the Terminator hours earlier.

:)

Although I saw a different deleted scene from #1 recently were Sarah says "#### running, lets take it to Skynet, where is it, what is it right now, lets kill it and stop the war from ever happening!"

Sarah was a dummy, but Kyle had a sad-on and the idea seemed to become misplaced.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmqa99Ar1Hs[/yt]

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSpmIYjXAg[/yt]
 
Kyle however in each timeline is a wild card since he does not react logically to anything. Of course that kid is operating on a fight or flight instinct which is almost predictable, but all he needed was a slightly different Tuesday 3 months ago (back in the future) and all the decisions he comes to make in the (unseen) do-overs of the first movie might might cause him to turn left at one point when he turned right in the original movie.

Meh?

Indeed, even a minor change might led Kyle to make love to Sarah in an uncomfortable place and thus John is never born.

Like the back of a Volkswagen?

:techman:
 
Skynet knew exactly who John and Sarah were, and the t-800 was programmed to miss a lot and scare them, so that they would ####, and the T-800 would leave behind it's cpu and severed arm to germinate Skynet and keep history in the right shape.

Yeah but my extra narrative is the bit that explains how Skynet knew not to kill them (after all, the arm and CPU still get left behind even if the T-800 successfully kills Sarah). So why is the T-800 programmed to shoot like a blind stormtrooper? Well, because Skynet has seen that other narrative where Connor was never born and it was just as bad for Skynet so he changes it....and that's where we see the first film.

The original film (before any of the sequels were made) was an absolutely closed loop. There was no 'original' timeline.
If you include the deleted scene at the end, yes. If you don't know that the T-800 parts were used to create Skynet, it's more open-ended.

Even if you don't see it, you can reasonably assume that huge chunks of the terminator have been left behind. I mean, it's not as if he was thrown into a vat of molten metal that destroys everything.
 
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I'm dismayed that half of voters in this poll found this joyless, senseless, witless, artless, headache-inducing fiasco "Above Average" to "Excellent". Absolutely everything about this disaster was horrible, from the awful casting to the Looney Tunes action to the vomit-inducing dialogue to the utter defilement of a terrifying Cold War parable stomped and corrupted into a third-assed hur, hur riff on the prevalence of the Cloud in modern life. I love Terminator 1-3, but this is a franchise that no longer has any good reason to exist.

Shame on everyone involved. Shame! With the lone exception of J.K. Simmons, playing a character who actually seemed like a plausible human. Everyone else utterly failed and/or embarrassed themselves. :barf:


I disagree. Nick Stahl was bad casting. It was several years later, and John Connor should have been wiser and grittier at that point in his life. He should have learned a few lessons on the streets and been emotionally tougher. It made no sense that he had somehow evolved into an even bigger dweeb (than Eddie's John Connor in T2) by the time of judgement day. The character had no apparent leadership qualities and was not believable as the future leader of the resistance.

What you're talking about there is the writing, not the casting. The character was written that way, as not having grown much since T2, and it was cast well in that regard. And honestly, I'm not sure it's terrible writing either (maybe just mediocre). John is raised his whole life to be some sort of savior, finally realizes that it's true, but then averts Judgment Day. Once it's over, his purpose is no longer apparent. Everything that he's ever been taught has basically vanished, so it's understandable that he might be having some issues about it.
Yes, absolutely. I love T3/Stahl's portrayal of John as a scarred shell of a survivor from the events of T2. He's either one of the most important people who ever lived, or someone who's doomed to live his entire life off the grid in an increasingly digital world, lest he compromise his identity on the off chance that Skynet has somehow survived and might find him once more. The one thing in his life that can give himself purpose and a reason to live is the very thing he least wants to happen, for the good of humanity.

... Yeah, I'm thinking living with that's gonna severely screw up a guy. :wtf:
 
You know what would be fantastic?

Captain Nemo defeats a Terminator and then uses it's remians to base the construction of the Nautilus on.
 
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I'm dismayed that half of voters in this poll found this joyless, senseless, witless, artless, headache-inducing fiasco "Above Average" to "Excellent".

Polls here (and in many places) in general skew very positive. If I recall, Nemesis had similar results here, with an even split of votes between the best and the worst. Honestly though, it's nice to see that people here can be pretty positive, despite that I too think this movie was rubbish with so much lost potential.
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For 35 bucks, I'll happily tell anyone the truth: a very good Terminator movie detailing the origins of a psychotic AI was released this year. It was called Ex Machina. :evil:
 
What's wrong with people liking a movie?

Can't stand elitist bullshit where people find it necessary to belittle others for liking something. FOR SHAME!! FOR SHAME!!!
 
What's wrong with people liking a movie?

Can't stand elitist bullshit where people find it necessary to belittle others for liking something. FOR SHAME!! FOR SHAME!!!


Elitish bullshit = ALL terminator films are crap because they are low-brow popular art.

Non-elitish position = THIS terminator film is crap.
 
What's wrong with people liking a movie?

Can't stand elitist bullshit where people find it necessary to belittle others for liking something. FOR SHAME!! FOR SHAME!!!


Elitish bullshit = ALL terminator films are crap because they are low-brow popular art.

Non-elitish position = THIS terminator film is crap.

I should clarify; I ment it as a general statement. I hate it when people feel the need to bash things others enjoyed, with big statements and an analysis on why they are right and the people who liked it are wrong. That feels elitist to me.

Granted, I react quite harshly when I read stuff like that, because it's an issue I have.
 
You know that there has to be something you're negatively opinionated about, probably more important than a movie, that has a rigidly devoted fan base.

Child Immunization for instance?

It's the relative unimportance of movies that allows us to draw lines, because as bad as it might get between people who like and who do not like Star Wars, neither faction is going to start building work camps for the other.
 
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I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I'm dismayed that half of voters in this poll found this joyless, senseless, witless, artless, headache-inducing fiasco "Above Average" to "Excellent".

Of course you meant to be rude, or else you wouldn't have included the "I don't mean to be rude" disclaimer. There's nothing wrong with disliking a film and expressing that POV, but where the elitism comes in that's been mentioned above is when you consider your opinion the only correct position and start looking down on others who did like it, which is something you excel at and do with regularity. So you can keep your pompous "dismay" with the results of the poll.
 
I try to be positive about movies/tv and look for what's good about them rather than what's bad. It allows me to enjoy "stupid" or "bad" movies like Transformers and Pixels :lol: Even when I have major problems with a movie, like Terminator Genisys, I can still enjoy it on a surface level. Very rarely do I actively dislike a movie, like the new Fantastic Four. What can I say, I'm an entertainment apologist. Star Wars Prequels rocked!!! ;)
 
There should be a grumpness surcharge relative to the negativity of your disposition at the cineplex.

The less likelihood there is of you enjoying a new movie, the more they should make you pay for your seat in the theatre, because the more it hurts to pay for a night out, the harder you will try to find any joy whatsoever in the experience to justify the expense (I think just explained marriage.).

Of course, since the psycho-tricorder hasn't been invented yet, no an E-meter is completely different, they'd have to use the honour system to work out how grumpy you are. The clerk selling tickets out front, would have to ask two very simple questions, 1. Are you an asshole, and 2. If you are an asshole, how big an asshole are you? And then determine how much you have to pay for tickets, from your answers.

Win/Win.
 
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