Terminator Genisys - Discussion and Grading Thread (Spoilers)

[Guy Gardener]

Timenet the God of Time.

What Matt was would have been a 2nd movie revelation.

Was Timenet as paranoid as Skynet, needing to exterminate humanity multiversally as Skynet did universally?

Timenet comes from a timeline where, or from a point in the future (A thousand years?) far enough ahead where it'd figured out how to make the nanite infiltrator, which the Skynet of the 2020's pops once called daddy couldn't lick.

If Timenet is paranoid, then it's sense of security is going to see every other Skynet in the multiverse as a threat, as much as every humanity in conflict with, victorious over or defeated by Skynet.

Timenet wants to create more universes (with time travel) without creating more Timenets. He is specifically creating new versions of Skynet who could never become timenet, because there can only be one?

Skynet created by man is a thinking and feeling living being.

Skynet created by Timenet is a souless slave that does what it is told.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't see Alex as simply being a walking, talking Skynet. He must be something different.

If Alex is Skynet incarnate, and comes from a timeline in which the machines are victorious (which, given his abilities, would pretty much have to be the case), then why would he care about anything that happens in any other timeline?

If he's on a mission to ensure Skynet's victory in every timeline, then that will take an infinite amount of trips, of course. Although I suppose that Skynet, being a machine entity, would have infinite patience...

 

[nx1701g]

I don't see Alex as simply being a walking, talking Skynet. He must be something different.

If Alex is Skynet incarnate, and comes from a timeline in which the machines are victorious (which, given his abilities, would pretty much have to be the case), then why would he care about anything that happens in any other timeline?

Good question.

I keep going back to what Cameron said in his interview for the reference book Terminator Vault. In it he said that he felt Skynet developed time travel to eventually wipe out is own existence out of guilt for destroying humanity (paraphrasing). I think that the T-3000 program (John Connor's model) is part of that guilt. Instead of wiping itself out, maybe Alex/Skynet decided to make humans into terminators instead of destroying itself.

Theoretically...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Even if timenet is not just a curious lad with a massive chin, he'd want to control the effective of time technology in all other universes to make sure that he alone controls crosstime.

Y'know, like how Kirk and the Klingons were once fostering an arms race with Muskets, when they could have as easily been giving those dipshit aliens phasers.

As long as everyone is a thousand years behind what Timenet calls civilized, the natives can thrash around in their barbarism, otherwise if there is any threat of peerhood or equality, they get the bash. Kinda like how Ming would have moved on if Hans Zarkov hadn't rocketed to Mongo in the Flash Gordon movie to inadvertently prove that Earth was ready to be enslaved.

 

[nx1701g]

Going to have to check out the show.

It was a really good show, but I will warn you of one thing (sorry for the spoiler): It ends on a cliffhanger.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets yell at Greg till he writes a novel to finish it off.

So if all time travellers not only arrive at their destination, even if their former present is no longer dominant, although I think I have suggested that there is no dominant timeline and all timelines are relatively possible in relation to any other timeline, then all time travelers splinter and arrive at every version of the past they are targeting cross time.

If some bastard in the future is targeting 1984, and there are 12 universes, then the traveller(s) arrives and doesn't arrive in all 12 universes, which creates 12 more new universe to facilitate the indeterminacy of their arrival and non arrival.

If because of the new movie, Sarah and John were not there in 1997, the T800 and T1000 from T2 would still arrive as if Mother and son did still exist and were not swimming upstream, and try to go about their missions, which might be moot, but Miles would still have the hand and the CPU, and be leading merrily towards a 1997 judgment day, unless someone stopped it.

Timenet stopped it.

In T3, the terminatirx actually bought Skynet with her, or brought baby formula at the very least. That virus that was crashing every thing, she started it or made it a lot worse until the antimalware version of Skynet was released, and the missiles were launched. Someone had to stop the Terminatrix in 2003.

Timenet Stopped her.

A lot happened in the TV show, but Judgment day, or Judgement days (we were tracking a couple time lines.) was in 2011, because that show got really timey whimey. But whatever the #### was supposed to have happened, didn't happen. Someone stopped that #### from happening.

Timenet stopped #### from happening.



Timenet is a very busy bee.

 

[Tosk]

I keep going back to what Cameron said in his interview for the reference book Terminator Vault. In it he said that he felt Skynet developed time travel to eventually wipe out is own existence out of guilt for destroying humanity (paraphrasing).

Without the exact quote it's hard to say, but that doesn't sound like it makes much sense. If Skynet decided that wiping out humanity was a bad call after all, why would it's final act be to send a Terminator back to retroactively kill its greatest enemy?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I don't see Alex as simply being a walking, talking Skynet. He must be something different.

If Alex is Skynet incarnate, and comes from a timeline in which the machines are victorious (which, given his abilities, would pretty much have to be the case), then why would he care about anything that happens in any other timeline?

If Skynet can travel across multiple timelines from a universe where it is victorious, then the opposite could also be true that humans can learn to travel across multiple timelines from a universe where they are victorious.

Maybe after John and co. defeated Skynet here they found out they could also access other timelines (probably with the same time displacement gear) and started exploring in hopes of finding technology to rebuild the Earth or to destroy any other Skynet incarnations. AltSkynet saw this as a threat and decided to travel to their universe and back in time to prevent their victory.

Or AltSkynet just sees human victory anywhere as a potential threat (since they can potentially learn to travel to other universes too) and scans different timelines to find the ones where humans are victorious and preemptively wipe them out.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Really?

A human victory in 2030 is shite.

Population is well down, and they have no effective engine to create new scientists, and/or engineers.

The only way of avoiding going back to the 10th century for the foreseeable future is to use re-purposed Terminators as slave labour.

The only reason Timenet has to bully Humanity at that point is spite.

 

[The Wormhole]

Matt Smith shared the Entertainment Weekly cover with Clarke.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mat...uT0KqpW1M:&usg=__U--QKDfytWwL0L0_plDJk61ZWfw=

Yeah, but that was the first and only time Matt Smith was promoted as being important in the movie. Since then, it's been rather enigmatic as to his exact role. I think Smith himself tweeted about having to work out and get into shape for the role but otherwise, there wasn't much said one way or the other about his role. There was plenty of speculation, I myself though he was going to be the "ultimate Terminator" which I guess he kind of was, though no in the way I was expecting.

 

[DWF]

The original movie was loopy, but not necessarily a loop, and we not only have no idea if it a was closed system, but everything else in the franchise screams that it was not.

Besides, as soon as the second Terminator, the Robert Patrick T-1000 arrived in 1997, which it still did, it would find that John had never been born, thanks to the new movie, because Sarah totally skipped the 90s.

Note that both 1997s would have to exist, with and without John, each leading to a completely different 2029, which is how a time traveler would arrive in all parallel versions of the past, despite coming from even another different timeline.

This of course means in the original movie there was a less corrupted timeline where Kyle Reese never arrived. Arnold's T-800 had a clean line of fire, and may have achieved his mission. Kyle's arrival did (creating a new timeline) and did not happen, and happened (ad did not happen) in all possible parallel pasts that were happening and not happening.

Why did Miles Dyson look younger in 2017 than he did in 1997?

T2 was set in 1995 not 1997 and since they stopped Judgement Day from happening in 1997 it changed in Terminator 3 to 2003. And like in this movie Skynet like in the third movie was everywhere. And I though both Miles Dyson and his son looked older than they did in 1995.

 

[Tosk]

Joe Morton was 44 in T2, Courtney Vance 55 in Genisys.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Thought he was 15.

 

[Tosk]

Assuming that's not some weird joke I don't get, I think you may be mixing up Miles Dyson and Danny Dyson, his son.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Obviously Alex's appearance is a setup for the Genisys sequels. Are those sequels definitely going to be made, or is there a chance we might not see them due to Genisys' poor performance at the box office?

 

[Mr Light]

Spoiler: Matt Smith's character

OK, so the writers said that "Alex" is a Skynet nano-Terminator from another reality. What do people think about this? I'm not a fan of the concept. I always thought this franchise was relatively 'grounded' and 'realistic' in its use of time travel, and opening the can of worms of an infinite multiverse of different universes crossing over... I dunno... it kind of breaks that brutal 'realism'. I liked that the movies were about a horrible apocalyptic future that could never be averted, only survived. Now it can just go anywhere.

It's also just a massive reinterpretation of the previous movies. We open with the big final battle against Skynet... and in comes a multiversal jumping traveling dude who has nothing to do with the storyline of the previous four movies.

 

[davejames]

I keep going back to what Cameron said in his interview for the reference book Terminator Vault. In it he said that he felt Skynet developed time travel to eventually wipe out is own existence out of guilt for destroying humanity (paraphrasing).

Without the exact quote it's hard to say, but that doesn't sound like it makes much sense. If Skynet decided that wiping out humanity was a bad call after all, why would it's final act be to send a Terminator back to retroactively kill its greatest enemy?

I don't know, but at this point it's starting to get silly how often Skynet keeps getting destroyed only to come back in the next movie. Which for me just makes it hard to take any of this seriously at all anymore.

Skynet has basically become like a comic book villain by this point, instead of the grave and ominous threat it really seemed to be in the first two movies.

 

[JD]

Also, why the hell was Matt Smith so heavily promoted in the lead up to the movie when he's in it for all of two minutes?!?!?!

Because he was a very popular incarnation of The Doctor in Doctor Who. I have a feeling if his role wasn't played by such a high profile actor, they probably would have been quiter about it.

 

[DWF]

Spoiler: Matt Smith's character

OK, so the writers said that "Alex" is a Skynet nano-Terminator from another reality. What do people think about this? I'm not a fan of the concept. I always thought this franchise was relatively 'grounded' and 'realistic' in its use of time travel, and opening the can of worms of an infinite multiverse of different universes crossing over... I dunno... it kind of breaks that brutal 'realism'. I liked that the movies were about a horrible apocalyptic future that could never be averted, only survived. Now it can just go anywhere.

It's also just a massive reinterpretation of the previous movies. We open with the big final battle against Skynet... and in comes a multiversal jumping traveling dude who has nothing to do with the storyline of the previous four movies.

This is just a guess on my part, but I think that Alex and Pops came from the same timeline and it was that timeline's John Connor who sent Pops back in time to save Sarah. It was more than likely that Alex sent the T1000 back to try and kill Sarah in 1973. So it's possible that there's still another John Connor out there and possibly he's still a human. In theory anyway.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It was more than likely that Alex sent the T1000 back to try and kill Sarah in 1973.

Are you suggesting that the T-1000 that's actually in the film is this same one?