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Terminator 3...actually pretty good?!

I liked it. Not as good as the first or second films, but decent.

Pro: That car chase. I think I liked it better than the one in Matrix Reloaded, which at the time was being hyped as the best car chase on film. Granted, it probably was but T3's was just as good if not better.

Con: The ending. First off, the explanation of Skynet I did not like. I preferred Skynet being a physical machine and not as a virus. Plus, yeah.... humans are doomed.
 
the explanation of Skynet I did not like. I preferred Skynet being a physical machine and not as a virus.
I always interpreted the virus as being a tool/clone of Skynet, that there was a core machine somewhere, and the virus its henchman.


Judgement Day will always happen.
T3 is actually a bit fuzzy on this. When John says they have to stop JD, T-850 says "There is insufficient time. Judgment Day is inevitable", which suggests that, had they gotten an earlier start, they could have "evited" it. :p



It's cool that SkyNet was finally successful in killing Connor, but that Connor was stupid enough, after fighting against Terminators for close to thirty years, suddenly sees a T-800 that reminds him of the one that protected him when he was a boy and lets his guard down. :rolleyes:
But the Terminator never said that that's what actually happened. Even though it was picked for that reason, it could still have been lucky enough to shoot him in the back or something. ;)
 
RELAX!

That was the funniest bit. I enjoyed the film a lot, T2 is a better movie but takes itself much too seriously.
 
T3 isn't as good as the first two (it's slightly better than the fourth, though) but it had some good one-liners, a great chase scene, a decent villain, some good fight physics (they were actually throwing each other around like they were machines that weighed a ton and not just people) and a bold ending. Even the lesser two films have plenty of redeeming factors that elevate them above most scifi/action films.

I think my favorite line was Ahnuld saying "Your levity is good. It relieves tension, and the fear of death." I love the looks on their faces after he says that.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8_JVWzsf8[/yt]
 
I liked the fact that T3 didn't stray from the main point: John and Sarah Conner could not stop judgement day. I thought that was the courageous choice. It was never about saving the world, it was about saving John Conner. So I give it points for that.

Nick Stahl and Claire Danes would not have been my first choices for the leads, but overall, I liked it.

JMHO

Agreed... I loved Nick Stahl in HBO's Carnivale, but whereas Edward Furlong's John Conner was an anti-hero who rose up to help save the day (even though he was just a kid), Stahl's Conner was just a loser-loner right up to the end.. Maybe it was the way it was written or just the way he played it, but it felt off-character...

All that said, I enjoy the movie.. I haven't seen T2 in a while, but I remember HATING it when it came out.. I wanted the Terminator to be the bad guy again.. In retrospect, I think it was more the fact that I was in a lousy small town movie house in Waterville, Maine on my day off from camp, with horrible seats and bad popcorn that made me not enjoy the movie as much...
 
l always liked T3, but everyone else l know hates it...something l could never understand. l mean, sure its nowhere near as good as the two Cameron films, but its a damn sight better than the abomination known as Terminator: Salvation. l always liked Kristanna Loken as the T-X, but then again, l've always had a thing for lesbos in tight red leather. :mallory:
 
I think Salvation gets too much hate. It is a very flawed movie (its original concept was worse), but at least it tackles the future war with more than just a brief scene.

IS coming up with good stories too hard, or are we just too jaded? I look at Prometheus which I found entertaining, but kinda wish it was never made. I can't get how hard it was to come up with a decent Indiana Jones script, either.
 
Salvation was much worse than Rise of the Machines. At least T3 had a complete narrative. Salvation was a grim, muddled mess that couldn't figure out who or what it was about.

Had such a bitchin' trailer, though!

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrEMGg4x3M[/yt]
 
Well, I didn't have any trouble following it, and the grimness impressed me. I mean, it IS a future war , and obviously not everything is going to be great during a war. The fact that we actually got to see the war that was often talked about was interesting, showing us how bad it actually was. The fact that they decided to take the angle that they did was definitely a risk, but I think it makes for an interesting story. Connor does play a role, but it's perhaps not that grand in the scheme of things, so it made sense that there wasn't as much focus on him.
 
Well, I didn't have any trouble following it, and the grimness impressed me. I mean, it IS a future war , and obviously not everything is going to be great during a war. The fact that we actually got to see the war that was often talked about was interesting, showing us how bad it actually was. The fact that they decided to take the angle that they did was definitely a risk, but I think it makes for an interesting story. Connor does play a role, but it's perhaps not that grand in the scheme of things, so it made sense that there wasn't as much focus on him.
Except they completely bungled the war aspect. Cameron's original T2 script/ideas established that most of the resistance fighters were South Americans who'd had experience with guerrilla warfare, and were living in areas not targeted by the US/Russia nuke hits. Granted, T3 also seemed to get this wrong with that shot of the troops holding up a battered Stars and Stripes, but one could still imagine that most of the fighters just off-frame were South American.

And the notion that humans could build a heavily-fortified base not that far from LA that the machines knew about, but couldn't quite smash? Robs them of all their power. The human resistance movement should be a one-shot, desperate LotR-style invasion, not a protracted conflict with established human bases.

T4: full of fail. :p
 
T3 was crap. I've seen it once in theaters and a few times on free TV and not once does it stop being crap.
 
Except they completely bungled the war aspect. Cameron's original T2 script/ideas established that most of the resistance fighters were South Americans who'd had experience with guerrilla warfare, and were living in areas not targeted by the US/Russia nuke hits. Granted, T3 also seemed to get this wrong with that shot of the troops holding up a battered Stars and Stripes, but one could still imagine that most of the fighters just off-frame were South American.

Not portraying a script idea that was not established in any way in the first three films (including Cameron's two) is not "bungling" anything. Besides, the mix of ethnicity and language in the T:S Resistance was not noticeably different from that of the previous films (with the addition of a Russian Resistance leader).

Furthermore, while the body count from a full-scale nuclear war would be truly horrific, if we go by T:2 roughly half the world's population was killed in the nuclear war itself (three billion), leaving another three billion around that SkyNet had to round up and exterminate, hence the concentration camps with the barcode tattoos. So there would still be tens of millions of American survivors (possibly over 100 million) that SkyNet needed to kill and who would fill out the Resistance ranks, which was consistent with what was depicted in all the films.

And the notion that humans could build a heavily-fortified base not that far from LA that the machines knew about, but couldn't quite smash? Robs them of all their power. The human resistance movement should be a one-shot, desperate LotR-style invasion, not a protracted conflict with established human bases.
SkyNet was not based in LA in 2018, it was based in San Francisco and had a more defensive strategy while it consolidated its power. It moved its base of operations to LA to take a more offensive strategy after SkyNet HQ in San Francisco was destroyed in T:S. Once it established air superiority over Southern California and started destroying Resistance bases there, the Resistance was forced to switch to primarily guerrilla-style hit-and-run attacks from the infrared-blocking safety of the underground sewer/subway system in Los Angeles itself, as we see in 2027, 2029, and 2032.

Also, it makes perfect sense for the Resistance to be much more powerful and equipped with military aircraft, ships, and bases only 14-years after Judgment Day, as opposed to 32/28-years later in the case of the first three films (relative to their respective Judgement Days). You'll notice their hardware is all falling apart and getting blown up daily in a war of attrition against SkyNet with its assembly lines and mass produced drones and robots. It's only a matter of time before most of the remnants of the military hardware are destroyed and all that's left are the soldiers themselves fighting in beat up cars or on foot.

T:S has a lot of problems, but the depiction of the Resistance situation in 2018 wasn't one of them.
 
Not portraying a script idea that was not established in any way in the first three films (including Cameron's two) is not "bungling" anything.

Yeah, like saying the Star Wars Prequels were bungled because it didn't show the Jedi battling a bunch of Mandalorian supercommandos (just Jango Fett) like it was implied on Boba Fett's never-said-onscreen backstory from 1979/80.
 
There's a fan edit out there called The Coming Storm that redeemed the movie a lot for me. Even changes that virus stuff. :)
 
It's a harmless bit of popcorn fluff that passes the time amiably enough. It also seems to be the one that you'll find somewhere on British TV the most often...
 
Still a masterpiece compared to T4.

Agreed.

By itself, T3 was not a bad film, but, when you consider that the story was effectively resolved by the conclusion of T2, then yeah, T3 was pointless, and guts the story.

And of course, the less said about T4, the better.
 
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