Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS>

[Michael Chris]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

I just watched this. I have one thing to say: WHO WROTE THE VOICE OVER AT THE BEGINNING? 1490? WTH?

 

[David cgc]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

As we already established, the explorer who they referred to was born in 1490, making it an understandable (though, apparently, unforgivable) error.

 

[Magic_Al]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

As we already established, the explorer who they referred to was born in 1490, making it an understandable (though, apparently, unforgivable) error.

Not as big an error as showing Sarah in her 80s waitress uniform without her 80s big hair.

 

[Tim]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

As we already established, the explorer who they referred to was born in 1490, making it an understandable (though, apparently, unforgivable) error.

Not as big an error as showing Sarah in her 80s waitress uniform without her 80s big hair.

That I can forgive. Nobody needs to see big '80s hair, though future-Riley's frizz-plosion was pretty damned close.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ That was an homage to Newt from Aliens.

OT: I am currently designing my characters for the fanfic if anyone is interested. The storyline though is already mapped out in my head.

Confirmed characters that I'll be using:

Lauren Fields
Sydney Fields
Charles Fischer
Catherine Luna
Justin Perry
Allison Young

John Connor, Sarah Connor, Jesse Flores, Derek Reese, and Kyle Reese will not be featured. They may be mentioned.

 

[Tim]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ Sounds rather like a Terminator: The Lower Decks story...I like it.

And I'll have time to read it, as well, since the the woman I took on a date last week seems to have come to her senses and in not wanting anything more to do with me.

 

[zephramc]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ That was an homage to Newt from Aliens.

OT: I am currently designing my characters for the fanfic if anyone is interested. The storyline though is already mapped out in my head.

Confirmed characters that I'll be using:

Lauren Fields
Sydney Fields
Charles Fischer
Catherine Luna
Justin Perry
Allison Young

John Connor, Sarah Connor, Jesse Flores, Derek Reese, and Kyle Reese will not be featured. They may be mentioned.

Can't wait to read it NX. The only name I recognize (at least I think) is Allison Young. That is the girl Cameron is modeled after, correct?

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

Part one of Terminator: Identity Crisis is now available.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ I can't place Justin or Catherine, but the Fields were the family from last week's episode who later help stop Skynet's bio-weapon, and Charles Fischer is, I think, the scientist from the penultimate episode of season 1 who tortured Ellison before his house got burnt down.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

I'll be posting a character guide in a few days (as soon as I write it ) for my new characters.

Lauren Fields - Lauren Fields appeared in Alpine Fields. She is a medic in my story.

Sydney Fields - Sydney Fields appeared in Alpine Fields. She was mentioned in my story.

Charles Fischer - Charles Fischer is the leader of the Greys and will feature in Part 2.

Catherine Luna - Catherine Luna is from Terminator: Dawn of Fate. She is a team scout in my story and the XO of the mission.

Justin Perry - Justin Perry is from The Terminator, Terminator Dawn of Fate, and T:TSCC (Dungeons & Dragons, Alpine Fields). He's Executive Officer of TechCOM (if you are trying to figure out who he is he was the African American General).

Allison Young - Allison Young appeared in Allison From Palmdale. She is the model on which Cameron Phillips was based.

Stumpy is a modified T-888. He is an original creation.

Earl Wise is an original creation. He is named after my Uncle (deceased) and my cousin.

John Connor, Sarah Connor, Jesse Flores, Derek Reese, and Kyle Reese will not be featured. They may be mentioned (Derek is mentioned in Part One).

 

[NX74205]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

Another theory. In the promos I think I remember Sarah saying that Skynet is here, meaning in our time. With the HK showing up at the end of the last episode, is it possible that Skynet has somehow transported itself back in time to our time period?

 

[misskim86]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

I thought the whole Sarah storyline was campy and based too much on coincidence. It lead to something cool though

 

[zephramc]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ I can't place Justin or Catherine, but the Fields were the family from last week's episode who later help stop Skynet's bio-weapon, and Charles Fischer is, I think, the scientist from the penultimate episode of season 1 who tortured Ellison before his house got burnt down.

If you're referring to "The Demon Hand", I thought that was Dr. Silberman, or maybe we're thinking of different episodes.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ Yeah, that was Dr. Silberman, the psychiatrist from Terminator 2 (and 3).

Charles Fischer is the man who collaborated with Skynet to teach the Terminators how to appear more human.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

Another theory. In the promos I think I remember Sarah saying that Skynet is here, meaning in our time. With the HK showing up at the end of the last episode, is it possible that Skynet has somehow transported itself back in time to our time period?

It is possible. In the expanded universe of Terminator Skynet had a body that it could download itself into if necessary. In the John Connor Chronicles novel series it did just that and came back in time on its own.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

I'm happy to answer any of the questions that people have on my fanfic, but I've been asked to steer the discussion of it out of the discussion thread for "Earthlings Welcome Here". Please feel free to ask any questions you have in the Terminator: Identity Crisis thread.

 

[Wouter2]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

Re your spoiler:

Spoiler: So..

Riley is actually playing Jesse? I doubt it. Jesse is the one who found Riley, not vice versa, she is also way too unstable. But could be a part of the act.. hmm, interesting, when I rewatch the episodes I will make sure to watch her character more closely

Spoiler: Something that was brought to my attention

I haven't noticed this myself (I may go back and watch the episodes) but they refer to their target as her. So far when describing Terminators they say 'Metal', 'Tin Can', or 'It' not her.

Jesse has used "her" in relation to Cameron, at least once. "I'm here to stop her, I'm here to save him". It is very hard to consistently say 'it' when everybody else is saying "her", even Derek. Especially when Jesse is actually fearing Cameron's feminine charms. Those who know Cameron tend to think of "it" as a "her", as does most of the audience, I suppose. There is really no confusion about what Riley was supposed to do, IMO. And Jesse really messed up in using the stick when she should have used the carrot.

Regarding fate being fixed: in T3 it seemed to be that Judgment Day was inevitable (allthough the particulars could be changed), but T2 said "no fate but what we make". I hope TSCC, as T2 follow-up, eventually will stop the war alltogether - I hope there are going there by the connection between Weaver and Ellison on the one hand, and Cameron and John on the other.

Regarding the UFO: I don't quite see the likeness with the hunter-killers that we saw in T1, T2 and a couple of TSCC episodes. In the scenemaker, Josh said that they left it ambiguous (they love to do that don't they?) whether Sarah was hallucinating or really seeing something. It remains to be seen what it is (allthough there is clearly something to the "airco" company with its murderous guard).

Good episode, especially liked the scene where Riley was so amazed about the joys of pre-apocalyptic life. A very finely written, played and edited scene that really makes one feel for the character. I hope she will survive, and come clean with John - she needs it even for herself, to talk with someone who knows stuff.

Above average. Can't wait for the rest of the season.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

Jesse has used "her" in relation to Cameron, at least once. "I'm here to stop her, I'm here to save him". It is very hard to consistently say 'it' when everybody else is saying "her", even Derek. Especially when Jesse is actually fearing Cameron's feminine charms. Those who know Cameron tend to think of "it" as a "her", as does most of the audience, I suppose. There is really no confusion about what Riley was supposed to do, IMO. And Jesse really messed up in using the stick when she should have used the carrot.

But in that instance she was speaking to Reese who, from her recon, has been living with the Connors. If her target really is Sarah as is now theorized Jesse wouldn't be stupid enough to tell Derek that she was really the target. Cameron is a more likely risk to them and Derek would believe it as a target rather than Sarah.

Regarding fate being fixed: in T3 it seemed to be that Judgment Day was inevitable (allthough the particulars could be changed), but T2 said "no fate but what we make". I hope TSCC, as T2 follow-up, eventually will stop the war alltogether - I hope there are going there by the connection between Weaver and Ellison on the one hand, and Cameron and John on the other.

Not really possible due to the events of Complications. They know now that there are multiple realities - Judgment Day would continue to happen in these alternatives but it may be possible to stop it in the reality of the show.

 

[the_wildcard]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

Anybody noticed that the show is moving to Friday nights? It was announced during the preview for the new episodes starting next January.

Ahh Friday nights. Where all great sci-fi shows on networks go to die. It works for cable, but on free tv, it is a dead night.

 

[nx1701g]

Re: Terminator-213 "Earthlings Welcome Here" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS

^ I'm afraid that it was announced some time ago. We had a thread on it I believe. It'll be paired with Dollhouse for Fox's new Sci-Fi Friday's block of programming. Rumor has it that Warner Brothers is doing whatever they can to save it (including buying a large percentage of advertising space during the show) because of Terminator: Salvation.