Tentative Covers & Descriptions for Upcoming Summer 2009 Trek Books

[ronny]

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Man, I was looking forward to this, but now I'm even more disappointed. Why not just make it a trade paperback instead of a hardcover? I hope we get to see this someday...

I would guess the editorial overhead, which is in short supply right now, would be the same if this was a hardback or trade paperback.

 

[Julio Angel Ortiz]

Re: Tentative Covers & Descriptions for Upcoming Summer 2009 Trek Book

Man, I was looking forward to this, but now I'm even more disappointed. Why not just make it a trade paperback instead of a hardcover? I hope we get to see this someday...

I would guess the editorial overhead, which is in short supply right now, would be the same if this was a hardback or trade paperback.

To clarify: I was thinking more of cost. An $18 trade paperback might be more attractive to a consumer than a $27 to $30 hardcover, in case that had any bearing on the decision (given the economy).

 

[ialfan]

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The cancellation of the Crucible hardcover marks a disappointment for me, of course, but it had little to do with anything other than the harsh economic climate pervading the country in general and the publishing industry in particular. Contrary to one post, concrete information was available for the omnibus, including its table of contents, which I offer again here.

• "Talismans and Spells" (new preface)
• "The Potentials of Emptiness" (new short story)
• Provenance of Shadows
• "The Delicate Currents of the Past" (new short story)
• The Fire and the Rose
• "The Weight of Too Few Years" (new short story)
• The Star to Every Wandering
• "Into the Void" (new short story)
• "Confluence, Enduring" (new short story)

I completed writing the additional material prior to the cancellation of the project.

Man, I was looking forward to this, but now I'm even more disappointed. Why not just make it a trade paperback instead of a hardcover? I hope we get to see this someday...

Me too! It was on my must buy list for 2009. I've only read Providence of Shadows so it would have been an awesome buy.

 

[Mysterion]

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The cancellation of the Crucible hardcover marks a disappointment for me, of course, but it had little to do with anything other than the harsh economic climate pervading the country in general and the publishing industry in particular. Contrary to one post, concrete information was available for the omnibus, including its table of contents, which I offer again here.

• "Talismans and Spells" (new preface)
• "The Potentials of Emptiness" (new short story)
• Provenance of Shadows
• "The Delicate Currents of the Past" (new short story)
• The Fire and the Rose
• "The Weight of Too Few Years" (new short story)
• The Star to Every Wandering
• "Into the Void" (new short story)
• "Confluence, Enduring" (new short story)

I completed writing the additional material prior to the cancellation of the project.

Man, I was looking forward to this, but now I'm even more disappointed. Why not just make it a trade paperback instead of a hardcover? I hope we get to see this someday...

Ditto for me. But as much as I'm disappointed, I feel bad for David George. Pitty for the work he put into the addtional material to just go to waste.

 

[Therin of Andor]

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I feel bad for David George. Pitty for the work he put into the addtional material to just go to waste.

You really think a handful of new never-been-published-before TOS short stories will go to waste? They'll turn up. Somewhere. Somewhen.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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I'm looking forward to Enterprise The Romulan war book

Me too, but I find myself disappointed that (apparently) the book won't cover the whole war. Why leave us hanging like that? Don't we want to know how it ends? What the 'Battle of Cheron' is?

after that quote from Margaret Clark said about T'Pol.

What quote?

 

[Sci]

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I'm looking forward to Enterprise The Romulan war book

Me too, but I find myself disappointed that (apparently) the book won't cover the whole war. Why leave us hanging like that? Don't we want to know how it ends? What the 'Battle of Cheron' is?

What makes you think future ENT novels won't cover the rest of it?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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I'm looking forward to Enterprise The Romulan war book

Me too, but I find myself disappointed that (apparently) the book won't cover the whole war. Why leave us hanging like that? Don't we want to know how it ends? What the 'Battle of Cheron' is?

What makes you think future ENT novels won't cover the rest of it?

None have been announced, have they? Until they are, it's all up for grabs.

I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

 

[Sci]

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Me too, but I find myself disappointed that (apparently) the book won't cover the whole war. Why leave us hanging like that? Don't we want to know how it ends? What the 'Battle of Cheron' is?

What makes you think future ENT novels won't cover the rest of it?

None have been announced, have they? Until they are, it's all up for grabs.

I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

Well, yeah. That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works. I mean, David Mack was working on Destiny as far back as 2006, but it wasn't announced until last year.

 

[KRAD]

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after that quote from Margaret Clark said about T'Pol.

What quote?

At a guess, this quote from the article where all this info is coming from: "T’Pol realizes what their involvement in a war could wrought on Vulcan society and she does something that horrifies her partners in the coalition, but will eventually lead to the foundation of the United Federation of Planets and the Vulcan that we see in the Kirk era."

I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

 

[Sci]

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after that quote from Margaret Clark said about T'Pol.

What quote?

At a guess, this quote from the article where all this info is coming from: "T’Pol realizes what their involvement in a war could wrought on Vulcan society and she does something that horrifies her partners in the coalition, but will eventually lead to the foundation of the United Federation of Planets and the Vulcan that we see in the Kirk era."

I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

And there were never any DS9 books after those ones, either, because none were announced.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

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I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

Well, to be fair, in that case the need for the books wasn't so urgent - because we were already seeing the war *on DS9*. We have never seen the Romulan War actually being fought, so the only place we can do is in the novels.

That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works.

Some of them *were* in the works, but apparently abandoned:

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

Now do you see the problem? They keep scaling it back, and back, and back.

 

[William Leisner]

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I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

Well, to be fair, in that case the need for the books wasn't so urgent - because we were already seeing the war *on DS9*. We have never seen the Romulan War actually being fought, so the only place we can do is in the novels.

That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works.

Some of them *were* in the works, but apparently abandoned:

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

Now do you see the problem? They keep scaling it back, and back, and back.

Jesus Herbert Christ , Babaganoosh, you've been around here long enough to know better than this. You know damn fucking well that Margaret isn't going to spill the beans on every fucking project and idea she has for the Trek line from now until Kingdom Come, not least of all because she was thrust into the top job without warning all of 3 weeks ago and has no doubt spent most of that time trying just to shuffle through all that Marco left behind.

You haven't the first fucking clue what will or won't come after TRW (and most of your "apparently"s are nothing even approaching apparent), so let's give the whiny pessimistic bullshit a rest, 'kay?

 

[Sci]

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That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works.

Some of them *were* in the works, but apparently abandoned:

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

Now do you see the problem? They keep scaling it back, and back, and back.

So the frack what? That means they're scaling back ONE volume, not that they're never making new stuff later. You're being ridiculous and paranoid.

If I had to guess? I would imagine that the project has been scaled back as a result of a combination of the fact that Michael A. Martin is taking it on alone and the reduced amount of time that Margaret has for each individual project with the loss of Marco. And that's just a guess, it's not a statement of fact by any means. Neither of which has any bearing on future entries in the ENT Relaunch (provided the Stock Market doesn't crash tomorrow and usher in a new Great Depression, knock-on-wood).

 

[Nardpuncher]

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Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

Well, to be fair, in that case the need for the books wasn't so urgent - because we were already seeing the war *on DS9*. We have never seen the Romulan War actually being fought, so the only place we can do is in the novels.

That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works.

Some of them *were* in the works, but apparently abandoned:

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

Now do you see the problem? They keep scaling it back, and back, and back.

Jesus Herbert Christ , Babaganoosh, you've been around here long enough to know better than this. You know damn fucking well that Margaret isn't going to spill the beans on every fucking project and idea she has for the Trek line from now until Kingdom Come, not least of all because she was thrust into the top job without warning all of 3 weeks ago and has no doubt spent most of that time trying just to shuffle through all that Marco left behind.

You haven't the first fucking clue what will or won't come after TRW (and most of your "apparently"s are nothing even approaching apparent), so let's give the whiny pessimistic bullshit a rest, 'kay?

You really should watch the swearing. When I saw your response I read the other guy's stuff, and he was complaining about books being cancelled. being angry at someone on the internet is normal , I guess, but when you go through with typing those words...you lose.

 

[Brendan Moody]

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No, despite his use of use of colorful metaphors, I'd say that Bill in fact remains the winner in this exchange. I look forward to his response to your advice about what he should "watch."

 

[ialfan]

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Who said the Romulan War novel got scaled back from Trade Paperback to regular MMP? It didn't say anything about that in the trekmovie.com article so I don't see where you are getting it from (and hope you are horribly wrong!)

 

[Thrawn]

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I mean, look at the title. "The Romulan War". Not a lot of room for ambiguity, is there?

Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

Well, to be fair, in that case the need for the books wasn't so urgent - because we were already seeing the war *on DS9*. We have never seen the Romulan War actually being fought, so the only place we can do is in the novels.

That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works.

Some of them *were* in the works, but apparently abandoned:

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

Now do you see the problem? They keep scaling it back, and back, and back.

Yeah, you're just straight up wrong about this. The trekmovie article says that it was planned as two novels, which got combined into one trade paperback. And that's it. And also, we knew that last year when it was announced the first time; nothing at all has changed since then. My guess is that it was never going to cover the whole war and it was *certainly* never going to be a collection of several stories. I have no clue where you got that idea.

 

[Sci]

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Exactly. Just the same way that The Dominion War four-book series in 1998 covered the entire Dominion War from start to finish.

Oh, wait.........

Well, to be fair, in that case the need for the books wasn't so urgent - because we were already seeing the war *on DS9*. We have never seen the Romulan War actually being fought, so the only place we can do is in the novels.

That means that The Romulan War will probably be about the Romulan War. It doesn't mean that future novels won't feature the war, too, and the fact that future novels haven't been announced doesn't mean that none are in the works.

Some of them *were* in the works, but apparently abandoned:

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

Now do you see the problem? They keep scaling it back, and back, and back.

Yeah, you're just straight up wrong about this. The trekmovie article says that it was planned as two novels, which got combined into one trade paperback. And that's it. And also, we knew that last year when it was announced the first time; nothing at all has changed since then. My guess is that it was never going to cover the whole war and it was *certainly* never going to be a collection of several stories. I have no clue where you got that idea.

There was originally some talk about it being a Mirror Universe-style TPB with three different novels in it back when it was first announced, but that was something like a year and a half ago.

 

[Christopher]

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Well, to be fair, in that case the need for the books wasn't so urgent - because we were already seeing the war *on DS9*. We have never seen the Romulan War actually being fought, so the only place we can do is in the novels.

Either way, that's irrelevant. The point is that there is absolutely no reason to assume that just because this book is called The Romulan War, it somehow means there will never be another book depicting the Romulan War. Heck, there have been plenty of Trek episodes where the first part hasn't explicitly had a "Part 1" in the title. For instance, we had "Redemption" followed by "Redemption II."

- Originally, it was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) to be three novels.

Consider yourself corrected. It was never specifically planned to be three novels. At one point, while the project was still in an entirely preliminary phase, Margaret was considering the possibility of doing it as a trilogy and prematurely let that slip to an interviewer. It was never a definite plan, just a possibility that was considered and discarded in the early stages of the project's development.

Heck, when Marco was developing the project that would become Myriad Universes, it went through several working titles, and for years it was unclear whether it would be done as full-length novels or short-novel anthologies. A Time To... was originally contemplated as 12 books but was cut down to 9 before there were even proposals for a full dozen. Projects in their earliest phase of development often go through such changes. They're not commitments, just possibilities under consideration.

- Then, it got scaled back to one trade paperback sized novel (but a collection of several stories, such as Myriad Universes and the MU collections).

The trade paperback part is true, but the rest is not. Besides what other posters have said, there's the simple fact that if it were a collection of stories, it would be an anthology, not a novel.

- Now, it's apparently just one standard sized novel, which won't even cover the whole war.

As others have stated, that is entirely untrue. It is still a trade paperback. And the fact that it would only cover the first part of the war was announced six months ago at Shore Leave. (But, again, there is absolutely zero reason to conclude that there won't be a followup covering the rest of the war.)