Tawny Newsome and Justin Simien developing new live-action Trek series

[FederationHistorian]

I still think it's Alex Kurtzman trying to save his job with regards to the incoming Ellison management.

It's his way of showing the Ellisons that he can make Trek on an ultra-tight budget, if need be. It's a bullet in the chamber.

Legacy has a much better chance of happening than this new show:

• Legacy has the Enterprise.
• It's closer to traditional Trek than this new show (therefore, it's in Paramount's comfort zone.)
• The Seven and Raffi Funkos have sold out at StarTrek.com (Paramount's own backyard).

LEG would have been on the air already if the hero ship was anything other than the Ent-G. As it stands, it’s not happening until SNW ends, which will be sometime after 2025. There not going to be multiple shows each involving an Enterprise running concurrently.

At this point, Risa has a better chance of happening, just because it does not seem to have a hero ship named Enterprise tied to it.

 

[Dukhat]

LEG would have been on the air already if the hero ship was anything other than the Ent-G.

No.

As it stands, it’s not happening until SNW ends, which will be sometime after 2025.

If SNW has at least four seasons, it won't end until 2027.

At this point, Risa has a better chance of happening, just because it does not seem to have a hero ship named Enterprise tied to it.

Risa? We don't know where the location will be for Tawny's pet project yet. Tawny doesn't even know.

 

[Danja]

Risa? We don't know where the location will be for Tawny's pet project yet. Tawny doesn't even know.

This is not a good sign.

It is? Season three hasn’t even premiered yet. They’ll apparently start shooting season four soon and at NYCC there was talk about season five.

Let me tell you a story about two CEOs:

Now-former Disney CEO Bob Chapek renewed She-Hulk for Season Two. Current CEO Bob Iger came aboard and cancelled the renewal.

Renewals mean nothing until the cameras start rolling (And even THAT'S questionable. P+ was ready to throw away Prodigy S2 until the fans pitched a public fit about it. *something*something* Flying banners over Netflix HQ in L.A. *something*something*).

 

[Dukhat]

The only things we know with 100% certainty are:

1. Lower Decks will end its final season this year.

2. Section 31 movie will be broadcast January 24.

3. SNW season three will be broadcast sometime in 2025.

4. SFA has begun production, whatever that entails.

 

[The Librarian]

12 Monkeys says "Hi".

However good 12 Monkeys was, that doesn't mean he wouldn't just repeat all the same mistakes he made with Picard Season 3 if allowed to run a Trek show again.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

However good 12 Monkeys was, that doesn't mean he wouldn't just repeat all the same mistakes he made with Picard Season 3 if allowed to run a Trek show again.

We don't know that. He might? He might not.
But it certainly points to the claim that "he can't make anything but nostalgia bait" is completely made up.

 

[Daedalus]

However good 12 Monkeys was, that doesn't mean he wouldn't just repeat all the same mistakes he made with Picard Season 3 if allowed to run a Trek show again.

Good or bad isn't really the point. It had nothing to do with Gilliam's movie and was it's own thing. That's 47 episodes of a non-nostalgic tv show under his belt. You'd think the benefit of the doubt should be a accepted courtesy at this stage.

 

[The Wormhole]

But it certainly points to the claim that "he can't make anything but nostalgia bait" is completely made up.

Thing is, whenever Matalas talks about what he'd do with Legacy, all he does is list all the aliens and characters from the 90s he wants to revisit. Making it clear that as far as Star Trek is concerned, nostalgia and fanwank is all he's interested in.

 

[Daedalus]

Thing is, whenever Matalas talks about what he'd do with Legacy, all he does is list all the aliens and characters from the 90s he wants to revisit. Making it clear that as far as Star Trek is concerned, nostalgia and fanwank is all he's interested in.

It depends on what he wants to do with the aliens and the characters. Section 31 has Rachel Garrett, a Chameloid and a Deltan! Utilised correctly, it could still be a great story, even though these additions are purely to trigger the nostalgia in a Star Trek fan. Why else have them? The lifeblood of modern Star Trek is nostalgia, even though many of us won't admit it.

Also, young Scotty recently joined SNW while in the midst of fighting the Gorn.

The Gorn..

That sounds like the fanniest fan-fiction when you read it out loud, but it was actually nicely done.

 

[fireproof78]

Good or bad isn't really the point. It had nothing to do with Gilliam's movie and was it's own thing. That's 47 episodes of a non-nostalgic tv show under his belt. You'd think the benefit of the doubt should be a accepted courtesy at this stage.

No producer gets that from me.

The lifeblood of modern Star Trek is nostalgia, even though many of us won't admit it.

I'll admit it but it's not putting Trek's best foot forward because it sets its hand to the plow then looks backwards constantly.

 

[Daedalus]

I'll admit it but it's not putting Trek's best foot forward because it sets its hand to the plow then looks backwards constantly.

I do agree, for the most part. I just hope that a lot more thought goes into every slice of nostalgia we're fed from now on.

You have to hope.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'd still argue that there's a difference between nostalgia and making use of the universe your series is set in. It's not nostalgia when Captain America teams up with Spider-Man to fight Skrulls or whatever.

 

[fireproof78]

I do agree, for the most part. I just hope that a lot more thought goes into every slice of nostalgia we're fed from now on.

You have to hope.

See, I hope for something new and get Discovery and Lower Decks and Prodigy and those still are not good enough.

Season 3 Picard comes along and is praised as "the way" to go forward.

I had something new I enjoyed and seeing it being panned for not being Trek is frustrating.

It's why I want the Academy show. I want young people, new blood, this sense of adventure. I love talking to young people nowadays because they are bold, and set their minds to new challenges, working with their hands, seeing how to be successful by their work.

It's far more hopeful to me than Trek's love affair with its glory days.

 

[Daedalus]

See, I hope for something new and get Discovery and Lower Decks and Prodigy and those still are not good enough.

Season 3 Picard comes along and is praised as "the way" to go forward.

I had something new I enjoyed and seeing it being panned for not being Trek is frustrating.

It's why I want the Academy show. I want young people, new blood, this sense of adventure. I love talking to young people nowadays because they are bold, and set their minds to new challenges, working with their hands, seeing how to be successful by their work.

It's far more hopeful to me than Trek's love affair with its glory days.

Discovery, LD and Prodigy were new and fresh, but also added a lot of nostalgia into the mix. Maybe I've missed the anger, but I thought the last two have received near-universal praise?

But it is quite sad how Discovery received so much flak... It must've been quite shit here in the late 10's

SFA has a lot going for it.

 

[fireproof78]

but I thought the last two have received near-universal praise?

Lower Decks gets treated poorly by some because of the comedy emphasis as not really being Trek.

Prodigy gets praised but it's limited at times. And not as well seen.

 

[Firebird]

It's hit-and-miss (Subspace Rhapsody, anyone? )

I think that's more a miss for you, rather than the fanbase-at-large.

 

[UssGlenn]

Section 31 has Rachel Garrett, a Chameloid and a Deltan! Utilised correctly, it could still be a great story, even though these additions are purely to trigger the nostalgia in a Star Trek fan. Why else have them?

I'll grant you Garret, but a show set in the Trek universe has to use Trek aliens, its sort of required for the setting. Would you rather them make up a new shapeshifter race?

 

[HotRod]

I'll grant you Garret, but a show set in the Trek universe has to use Trek aliens, its sort of required for the setting. Would you rather them make up a new shapeshifter race?

Can using Garrett even really be nostalgic? She's a character that had 5 minutes of screen time and a few lines of dialogue on a single episode of a show over 30 years ago.

 

[Daedalus]

I'll grant you Garret, but a show set in the Trek universe has to use Trek aliens, its sort of required for the setting. Would you rather them make up a new shapeshifter race?

I don't particularly mind, either way. I like that they're included, but in this case they don't appear to be necessary beyond a name check.

At least, at first glance.

Can using Garrett even really be nostalgic? She's a character that had 5 minutes of screen time and a few lines of dialogue on a single episode of a show over 30 years ago.

Fair question.

I really don't know what the threshold is for Nostalgia in Trek fandom. If she's acceptable due to her single episode appearance, then there's bound to be loads of one-off characters that could appear in a 25th Century show without being branded nostalgic.

 

[The Wormhole]

It depends on what he wants to do with the aliens and the characters. Section 31 has Rachel Garrett, a Chameloid and a Deltan! Utilised correctly, it could still be a great story, even though these additions are purely to trigger the nostalgia in a Star Trek fan. Why else have them? The lifeblood of modern Star Trek is nostalgia, even though many of us won't admit it.

Also, young Scotty recently joined SNW while in the midst of fighting the Gorn.

The Gorn..

That sounds like the fanniest fan-fiction when you read it out loud, but it was actually nicely done.

Nostalgia is fine as long as it still brings something new to the table. Which most of the modern era's nostalgia does, likely including Section 31's use of Garrett, Chameloids and Deltans. Matalas's nostalgia in Picard S3 did not bring anything new, leaving me to believe the same would be the case if he got his idea of Legacy done. Nostalgia is supposed to be an appetizer with the rest of the story being the proper meal. The way Matalas uses nostalgia is basically presenting a whole meal consisting entirely of appetizers.