TATV

[CaptainJon]

Spider said:
My opinion of TATV hasn't changed since it first aired, and that is it's not a particually good episode, but it sure isn't worth all the hatred people give it. I can think of many worse episodes of ENT than that one.

I agree completely. There are episodes of ENT (and Trek itself) that are even worse than TaTV. Is TaTV a great episode? Definitely not. Is it really bad? Not in the least. What it needed to work was a full 2 hours so that it could actually feel like a finale. But all it was was an episode with an interesting concept that in 1 hour just wasn't an appropriate finale.

Do I like TATV? No, not really, but that's mostly because I felt it was inappropriate as a finale. I wanted a finale about the ENT characters and story. I felt a little cheated by it and I can understand why it's so hated. I don't exactly agree with those who call it the "worst of Trek". It's more of the "average of Trek", but because it was used as the finale, it knocked it down another notch.

OT, as someone said, it has the ENT credits, so that's where it belongs.

 

[Anna Yolei]

PhotoBoy said:

WeAreTheBorg said:
TaTV was as much an insult against TNG as it was against ENT.

Exactly my sentiments. Being a fan of both TNG and ENT I don't like it associated with either of them.

I'm gonna have to third those sentiments. Either way you look at it, it does neither show any favors.

 

[DanCPA]

Enterprise episode

 

[Salinga]

Again a time to bring up my DVD set idea with the episodes of DS9, VOY and ENT, which had TNG cameos in it, to add it as "inofficial season 8" of TNG to my 7 DVD sets of TNG.

 

[Salinga]

CaptainJon said:Is TaTV a great episode? Definitely not. Is it really bad? Not in the least. What it needed to work was a full 2 hours so that it could actually feel like a finale. But all it was was an episode with an interesting concept that in 1 hour just wasn't an appropriate finale.

The problem I had with TATV was that it felt like a clipshow although it wasn't.

 

[Saxman1]

TATV - not as bad as I thought it would be, but I never want to watch it again. For me ENT ended with the two-part Terra Prime arc. I also don't consider it a TNG ep. I don't want to consider it period except as a prequel to "The Good That Men Do" novel. If you are going to read that excellent book, it helps to have seen TATV.

 

[Forbin]

It was, above all, a clear demonstration of what terrible judgement and utter lack of talent Berman has, and how far Braga has fallen.

 

[shatastrophic]

What do you guys expect, it is enterprise. To say TATV is crap is making a gesture in saying that enterprise had excellent episodes in the first place. It didn't, they had some fun episodes, but nothing compared to TNG which was excellent. I watched all the episodes of enterprise it's first run thru, i had a hard time tuning in after they went against the borg but i kept going because it was trek after all. I have made the same commitment to watch anything trek associated that everyone else here has made and eventhough i have problems with enterprise i still support it. TATV was fun just for the montage at the end. I like to think the speech he made started out with, "Space the final frontier, these are the voyages blah blah blah". Thus we hear part of the speech in the end eventhough we don't see him actually make the speech. All of this aside, it is an episode of enterprise and not of TNG. I have an extreme dislike for enterprise but we don't have to constantly bash TATV. It was a product of a series which wasn't that great in the first place.

 

[poundpuppy29]

PhotoBoy said:

WeAreTheBorg said:
TaTV was as much an insult against TNG as it was against ENT.

Exactly my sentiments. Being a fan of both TNG and ENT I don't like it associated with either of them.

Me too!!! ITA 100% with both of these statements. I watched both of these religiously and I was not happy.

 

[Uriel]

"The Shadow that bred it can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to TATV, it only ruined and twisted TNG ..."

... but to be serious for a moment, even though TATV was utter garbage in itself, I enjoyed it immensely for the TNG nostalgia value. Seeing those characters on that ship again in a first run episode was like reliving a little slice of my childhood.

 

[Gertch]

TATV made me miss TNG all the more. I would have been up for them to do another 7 years in the TNG Universe.

 

[erastus25]

I think it's a TNG episode. You could even argue not to add it to the ENT canon since it's a historical extrapolation of the events on Archer's ship.

 

[SmoothieX]

Gertch said:
TATV made me miss TNG all the more. I would have been up for them to do another 7 years in the TNG Universe.

I totally agree. Seeing the old ENT-D and everyone dressed up in the TNG unis made me nostalgic.

 

[STIntergalactic]

erastus25 said:
I think it's a TNG episode. You could even argue not to add it to the ENT canon since it's a historical extrapolation of the events on Archer's ship.

Finally, someone agrees with me!

 

[Ssosmcin]

Number6 said:
I think there are more than enough TATV SUX threads in this universe. Another one is completely superfluous.

They still pale in number compared to the hundreds of tired "Nemesis Sucks" threads polluting the Movies forum.

 

[Oso Blanco]

erastus25 said:
I think it's a TNG episode. You could even argue not to add it to the ENT canon since it's a historical extrapolation of the events on Archer's ship.

TATV has nothing to do with the TNG episode "The Pegasus". It simply doesn't fit in. So don't you even try to make it a TNG episode! It's nothing but an attempt to connect "Enteprise" to the rest of Trek, and it failed!

 

[number6]

ssosmcin said:

Number6 said:
I think there are more than enough TATV SUX threads in this universe. Another one is completely superfluous.

They still pale in number compared to the hundreds of tired "Nemesis Sucks" threads polluting the Movies forum.

Are we trying to catch up here??

There are worse moments in sci-fi than TATV and NEM..
and worse moments in Star Trek.

The fact that people like to dwell on and complain about this stuff constantly says a lot about the state of fandom.

 

[Nebusj]

Number6 said:
The fact that people like to dwell on and complain about this stuff constantly says a lot about the state of fandom.

Yeah, it's like they were the last movie or TV show episode, and people are ignoring all the original Trek to come out after both that deserve our attention.

 

[erastus25]

Oso Blanco said:

erastus25 said:
I think it's a TNG episode. You could even argue not to add it to the ENT canon since it's a historical extrapolation of the events on Archer's ship.

TATV has nothing to do with the TNG episode "The Pegasus". It simply doesn't fit in. So don't you even try to make it a TNG episode! It's nothing but an attempt to connect "Enteprise" to the rest of Trek, and it failed!

But the truth is, even if it doesn't fit, it's now part of the TNG universe, in essence. We can't choose not to add it because we don't like it or think it doesn't fit. If we could, then I would argue that the Ent.-D had no chief medical officer in its second year!

 

[Forbin]

Number6 said:
There are worse moments in sci-fi than TATV and NEM..
and worse moments in Star Trek.

I'm gonna have to disagree with the second half of that statement.

Well, maybe the gazelle speach.